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[0:03] Um, call the meeting to order. Uh,
[0:05] please stand for the pledge of
[0:06] >> allegiance.
[0:11] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[0:13] United States of America and to the
[0:16] republic for which it stands, one nation
[0:19] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:22] justice for all.
[0:27] Mary, if we could have the reading of
[0:29] the call, please.
[0:32] >> Dear supervisor, please be advised that
[0:34] the Temple County Board of Supervisors
[0:35] will meet at 5:30 p.m. on September
[0:37] 28th, 2026 in the county boardroom. All
[0:40] county board members claims are due in
[0:42] the administration office by noon on
[0:45] September 4th, 2026, so they can be
[0:47] prepared for audit committee approval.
[0:48] Sincerely, Mary Martin, county clerk.
[0:52] >> Mary, could you please do roll call?
[0:55] Bridget Turner
[0:57] >> here.
[0:58] >> Andy Parish
[0:59] >> here.
[0:59] >> Breaker Todd
[1:00] >> here.
[1:01] >> Lorie Severson
[1:02] >> here.
[1:02] >> Andy Todd
[1:03] >> here.
[1:03] >> Richard Anderson
[1:04] >> here.
[1:05] >> Scott Leonard
[1:05] >> here.
[1:06] >> Paul Severson
[1:07] >> here.
[1:07] >> Kevin Whan
[1:08] >> here.
[1:09] >> John Austin
[1:10] >> here.
[1:10] >> Don Trou
[1:11] >> here.
[1:12] >> Robert Becker
[1:13] >> here.
[1:13] >> Renee Lion
[1:14] >> here.
[1:15] >> John Scog
[1:16] >> here.
[1:16] >> David Larson
[1:17] >> here.
[1:17] >> Kristen Husby
[1:18] >> here.
[1:18] >> Ron Johnson
[1:19] >> here.
[1:20] >> 17 all present.
[1:21] >> All present. Welcome.
[1:24] um certification compliance with um open
[1:26] meeting law requirements have been met.
[1:29] >> All right. I'd like uh I'd like a motion
[1:32] on the floor to adopt our 10 item
[1:35] agenda.
[1:35] >> Move to adopt.
[1:36] >> Got Johnson for one. We got a second on
[1:39] the adoption.
[1:40] >> I'll second it.
[1:40] >> Anderson on two.
[1:43] Any discussion? Yeah, I'd like to
[1:46] propose to add an agenda item uh to add
[1:50] a future agenda topics to the agenda so
[1:54] that we can um start talking about what
[1:58] we'll be talking in the future. Um John,
[2:00] I'm going to call you out of order. I
[2:01] think there's a time and place for us to
[2:02] go ahead and go do that um in um in the
[2:06] future here and we'll go through the
[2:07] right process to get that done.
[2:09] >> So, we can go ahead and move on. Sorry,
[2:11] sorry, I didn't understand, Andy. I we
[2:13] can discuss that in the future for we
[2:15] can talk about the um what we want to
[2:17] talk about
[2:18] after the meeting or later in the um
[2:21] into the time frame.
[2:25] So let's go ahead and move on. Um any
[2:27] other discussion on the agenda?
[2:28] >> Wait, sorry. I is it your decision that
[2:32] you're just not going to accept my
[2:34] recommendation? Is that what I'm
[2:35] hearing?
[2:35] >> My decision is we can discuss it um in
[2:38] after this meeting since it's not on the
[2:40] agenda now.
[2:42] Why why can't that agenda item be added?
[2:46] Be
[2:46] >> because it wasn't um called out for
[2:50] >> open meetings law.
[2:51] >> Open meetings law.
[2:52] >> But but it's not a it's a topic that is
[2:56] not going to result in any decisions.
[2:58] >> Right. But we can discuss this in in the
[3:00] right time to discuss.
[3:03] >> When is the right time?
[3:05] >> Um um after any time after tonight's
[3:08] meeting. Okay. Any other discussion? The
[3:12] corp council have something to add on.
[3:14] Mr. Chair,
[3:16] >> if I may, um, we don't have a future
[3:19] agenda item as a matter of business on
[3:22] this. Uh, if there was an item that was
[3:26] needed to be placed on to the agenda for
[3:30] the October meeting, there could be a
[3:32] request to put that on at the end of the
[3:34] meeting before adjournment.
[3:38] So you can make that request to the
[3:40] chair. Really, I'm talking between items
[3:42] nine and 10. You cannot get [snorts] to
[3:45] the the meat of the topic. It's the
[3:47] request to put it on.
[3:49] >> Yeah. Okay.
[3:50] >> So, does that make sense?
[3:53] >> I I I think so. So long as we
[3:55] [clears throat] don't adjourn before I
[3:56] get a chance to make that statement,
[3:58] >> right? And at the same time, you can't
[4:00] discuss it either.
[4:01] >> It's just a request to hear it.
[4:03] >> Thank you for that clarification.
[4:05] [clears throat]
[4:05] >> All right. Any more discussion?
[4:09] All those in favor sign by saying yes.
[4:14] >> Opposed say no.
[4:17] >> Carried. All right. Uh could I get a
[4:20] motion on the floor for number four,
[4:22] approval of August 2026 session minutes.
[4:26] Motion to approve.
[4:27] >> Mr. Larson for the one. Second.
[4:29] >> Second by Mr. Austin.
[4:33] >> Any discussion? Hearing
[4:37] none. All those in favor signify by
[4:38] saying yes.
[4:39] >> Yes.
[4:41] >> All oppose say no.
[4:44] Carried. All right. We're going to go to
[4:46] number five. Appearances. Tlo County
[4:48] Library year uh year in review. And I
[4:51] have Kayla Matson. Matson. Please.
[4:56] [snorts]
[4:56] Can you go and hit that button to turn
[4:58] that on? Perfect.
[5:00] >> Yes. Everyone can hear me. Okay.
[5:03] >> Yes. Okay.
[5:05] So, I'm Kayla Matson, the director of
[5:07] the Independence Public Library, here on
[5:10] behalf of all nine of the libraries in
[5:11] Trenle County to share a little bit
[5:14] about what we've been up to this year so
[5:16] far, last year. Um, to invite you again
[5:19] to come and see my new library. We had
[5:22] our grand opening over the weekend. So,
[5:24] that's how I became the spokesperson to
[5:26] remind you all to come and check out
[5:28] this great new amenity that we have here
[5:30] in Tumbla County.
[5:33] Megan from the Tremple Library is
[5:35] passing around a handout. You see
[5:37] something similar from us every year. We
[5:39] want to give you an update on um how
[5:42] many items we have, what kinds of things
[5:45] we're providing to people in the county.
[5:48] This column on the first page on the
[5:50] right seems especially important to
[5:52] point out because I think a lot of
[5:54] people forget that the libraries aren't
[5:56] just books or movies or a place to have
[6:00] a book club. We're providing the primary
[6:03] meeting space for all of these different
[6:05] organizations when they come to Tampa
[6:08] County. When the Division of Vocational
[6:11] Rehabilitation is looking for a place
[6:12] that they can meet a client, they look
[6:15] to our libraries before anywhere else.
[6:18] Um,
[6:20] we're locations for the National Science
[6:22] Foundation for Americanore seniors to
[6:25] volunteer. When the state legislators
[6:28] are looking for places to get into these
[6:30] small communities, they're coming to our
[6:32] libraries. And we're also one of the
[6:34] primary locations for your county
[6:36] departments to get out of the courthouse
[6:38] and get out into the more distant areas
[6:41] of Tumble County.
[6:44] So, if you look on the county website
[6:46] under departments between the nine
[6:48] libraries, we've hosted and partnered
[6:51] with every single county department in
[6:53] the last two years. And that feels like
[6:55] a really exciting milestone to share
[6:57] with you guys.
[7:02] In 20125, there were 155,000 physical
[7:06] items borrowed between the nine
[7:09] libraries and an additional 50,000
[7:12] digital items.
[7:14] Over 10,000 uses of our public computers
[7:17] from people who live throughout the
[7:19] county and don't have that kind of
[7:21] access at home. [snorts]
[7:23] 171,000 uses of our public Wi-Fi.
[7:28] And then on the more fun end, you have
[7:29] pictures of us playing with um worms and
[7:35] storytime pictures, dinosaur puppets,
[7:38] all of the fun educational programs that
[7:40] we bring to the community.
[7:43] Last year, our libraries put on over
[7:45] 1,000 free community events
[7:49] [snorts]
[7:50] with over 21,000 attendees of county
[7:53] residents who are coming to see what
[7:55] we're offering in our libraries and to
[7:59] enjoy those things.
[8:01] Um, last week in the Trump County Times,
[8:05] there was a really well-written letter
[8:07] to the editor from Isaac Puller at the
[8:10] village of Trumpo and that sparked a few
[8:12] questions where people were reaching out
[8:14] to our libraries with questions about
[8:15] non-resident funding. Um, so Carol from
[8:18] the Trump or from the Arcadia Library is
[8:22] going to bring around a quick handout
[8:24] um, so that I can explain that for you
[8:26] briefly
[8:28] and so that we have a chance to address
[8:30] any questions that people have.
[8:34] So all of these borrows, the the 150,000
[8:38] borrows of our library and the the
[8:41] program attendance and all of these
[8:43] things, we collect that data every year
[8:45] and send it to the state on our annual
[8:47] report.
[8:50] And the state has a formula that
[8:52] translates that into
[8:55] money that the library receives as a
[8:58] reimbursement for services rendered that
[9:00] you guys see now during budgeting
[9:02] season.
[9:05] So, for the past several years, that
[9:08] money has been reimbursed at 100%
[9:11] reimbursement.
[9:13] And I'll walk you through how that comes
[9:14] from. So, on on the map that you have,
[9:17] you show the locations of all nine
[9:20] county libraries. [snorts] And then you
[9:22] have the little colored figurines of
[9:25] where our library users live. So, I'm
[9:28] here representing the Independence
[9:30] Public Library, but I live in the city
[9:32] of Whiteall. So, I am one of these
[9:35] little blue icons.
[9:38] I'm a resident of a municipality that
[9:40] has a library. So, my property taxes, I
[9:44] can look at them. I can look at the city
[9:46] of Whiteall budget and calculate exactly
[9:48] how much I'm paying into library service
[9:52] yeartoear.
[9:54] I'll use my parents for an example. They
[9:56] live outside of Pigeon Falls. They do
[9:59] not pay directly into any public library
[10:03] with their property taxes. That's what
[10:05] that non-resident reimbursement is
[10:07] making up for because they live outside
[10:10] of Pigeon Falls. They're pretty close to
[10:13] equidistant to the AIO library to the
[10:17] White Hall Library. Sometimes they have
[10:20] reasons to use the Black River Falls
[10:22] Library if they're in that neck of the
[10:23] woods. And what this formula does is it
[10:26] counts actual usage of people like my
[10:28] parents who aren't paying directly into
[10:32] library service,
[10:34] putting a fixed direct cost of money
[10:37] that we spent serving them last year,
[10:40] and then presents it to you this fall
[10:42] for your 2026 budget.
[10:46] So, we've been very appreciative that
[10:48] you've continued to pay that invoice at
[10:50] 100%.
[10:52] Legally, you can reduce it to 70%, but
[10:55] that is at the detriment of everyone who
[10:57] lives in the communities and puts a
[11:00] burden on each municipality to fund
[11:03] things at a higher level um than a lot
[11:06] of the cities can afford. You know, the
[11:08] city of independence
[11:11] pays into our library budget and it's
[11:13] about the cost of having me as a city
[11:16] employee. The rest of the budget, all of
[11:19] our part-time staff, our books,
[11:22] programs, all of that comes from our
[11:25] county reimbursement, from donations,
[11:27] from our friends of the library groups,
[11:29] and from outside grants. So this 100%
[11:32] reimbursement is of vital importance to
[11:36] the city of independence and the
[11:38] independence public library for that to
[11:40] continue and for us to be able to
[11:42] continue serving people at the level
[11:45] that our residents expect and deserve.
[11:49] So we did ask several of our supporters
[11:52] to come today. Um, if you are here as a
[11:56] library user or somebody who's coming to
[11:59] thank the board for their support at
[12:01] 100% reimbursement, would you please
[12:03] stand up if you're able to?
[12:11] These are your constituents who came
[12:12] here today to thank you for continuing
[12:15] this at 100%. And please, if you have
[12:18] any con confusion about how it works, if
[12:21] you have any questions, please reach out
[12:23] to me or to anyone at any of these other
[12:25] nine libraries. We would be happy to
[12:28] talk with you further and um and walk
[12:31] you through the process, answer any
[12:33] questions, and let you see what other
[12:35] great things we're bringing to the
[12:36] community because
[12:39] this is a start, but we offer so much
[12:41] more in our communities than this. and
[12:43] we are so excited to be able to continue
[12:46] bringing this level of excitement and
[12:49] enthusiasm to the county.
[12:51] >> All right.
[12:53] >> I know. Are you done?
[12:55] >> Yes.
[12:55] >> I know there's a If anybody has any
[12:57] questions, I know there's no discussion
[12:58] here, but if anybody has any questions
[13:00] if you want to ask her, that'd be great.
[13:02] >> Anybody have any questions for her?
[13:04] >> Top of your head. Go ahead.
[13:05] >> I just want to thank you
[13:07] >> because you are such an integral part of
[13:09] our communities
[13:10] >> and what you do is amazing. So, thanks
[13:13] to all of you.
[13:14] >> Yeah. Thank you.
[13:15] >> Yes, sir.
[13:16] >> I just like to say that there's
[13:18] [clears throat] has been some studies
[13:19] done that more people are using
[13:21] libraries than ever before. It's that
[13:23] one generation, they're tired of looking
[13:25] at computers and they're tired of
[13:27] looking at their tablets. They want to
[13:28] have that book. [snorts] And uh so the
[13:31] library use I use it
[13:34] >> is uh important to a city. And for the
[13:36] people who don't have the uh I think and
[13:39] it's more than just library. you guys do
[13:41] something for Christmas for the kids and
[13:43] yes and Halloween and and in the summer
[13:46] you got the music in the park and it's
[13:47] more of a community thing than it is
[13:49] just a library thing. So
[13:51] >> it's I mean I think it's
[13:53] long as we can fit it in our budget I
[13:55] think it's very important to support him
[13:56] 100%.
[13:58] >> Thank you.
[13:58] >> Awesome. Thank you Mr. Becker. Thank
[14:00] you. Excuse me. Go ahead Andy.
[14:02] >> So I like to ask questions so don't read
[14:04] into it. I'm very inquisitive. Um, I see
[14:07] some big numbers here like 155,000
[14:10] physical items borrowed. What's the
[14:12] average number of
[14:15] >> how many people have repeat checked out
[14:18] an item if that makes sense. So, um,
[14:20] like if Riker goes five times a week,
[14:23] that's you, Riker. [laughter] You should
[14:26] if he goes five times a week and checks
[14:27] out an item each time, that's five
[14:30] visits and that would be five items, but
[14:32] it's one person. I guess what I'm
[14:34] wondering is how many people actually
[14:36] enter the library that are city
[14:37] residents and then how many that are
[14:39] county residents and then
[14:42] >> that's the number I'm concerned about.
[14:44] >> Yeah. So, we track those checkouts by
[14:47] what municipality the person lives in.
[14:50] So, I don't have the the numbers in
[14:53] front of me, but if you want to reach
[14:54] out, I can sit down with you and I can
[14:56] tell you exactly of this 155,300
[15:00] items borrowed, how many from each
[15:03] municipality um there are. And that that
[15:06] is also on that non-resident
[15:09] um I don't know if it it makes it to the
[15:12] 17 of you, but I know it does make it to
[15:15] the offices here. [snorts] um would have
[15:17] that broken down by county on the sheet
[15:20] that that Mary receives. Um so we can we
[15:25] can get you that exact numbers for each
[15:27] library if you're interested to see
[15:29] that.
[15:30] >> Yeah, I'd just be interested to see how
[15:32] many county residents and what they're
[15:34] checking out because, you [snorts] know,
[15:37] it could be 4% and you know, I don't
[15:41] know. I guess I'd like to see what the
[15:43] value is behind it for the dollars
[15:45] spent. Yep. And that's the dollar spent
[15:48] is a it's a direct reimbursement. So
[15:52] it's
[15:54] it's a direct cost that's that's being
[15:57] reimbursed. It's not a new number that
[16:00] we're we're pulling out of a percentage
[16:02] of our future budget. Um I can only
[16:05] speak for independence off the top of my
[16:07] head. I know that our
[16:09] percentage of borrows from we call them
[16:12] non-resident users, people outside of
[16:14] city limits yeartoear kind of settles
[16:17] between 35 and 45%.
[16:20] >> All right. [snorts]
[16:24] >> Perfect.
[16:25] >> Yeah.
[16:25] >> Any other questions for
[16:28] >> Okay.
[16:28] >> Well, I want to thank everybody from the
[16:30] libraries that came tonight. I really
[16:32] appreciate that. Thanks for your input.
[16:34] We really appreciate it.
[16:35] >> Yes. Thank you guys so much.
[16:36] >> Thanks again for coming.
[16:37] Oh, John.
[16:39] >> No, I just want to make a motion that we
[16:41] approve 100%
[16:43] for the libraries, which we've done for
[16:45] the past four or five years. I don't
[16:46] know why,
[16:47] >> John. This uh resolution don't come
[16:49] forward till next month. So, this is
[16:50] just more discussion and talking.
[16:52] >> Oh, okay.
[16:52] >> Yep. I appreciate it.
[16:54] >> Go ahead.
[16:55] >> I do have a question. I'm sorry. It took
[16:56] me a little bit to get there. No
[16:57] problem. I always very inquisitive also
[16:59] and again don't read anything into it
[17:01] but because I'm curious
[17:03] >> I do understand that what we get in 2026
[17:07] is money already spent at the libraries
[17:10] [clears throat]
[17:10] >> so I understand that we can't go back
[17:12] and say cut this cut that
[17:14] >> but it would be helpful to understand
[17:16] the budgeting process
[17:18] >> so that we understand where the money is
[17:21] going or anticipated to go for the next
[17:23] year
[17:24] >> I know you have library boards that I
[17:27] would assume assume are uh part of the
[17:29] budgeting process for each library, but
[17:31] I don't I don't know if anyone here else
[17:34] anyone else would be interested in that,
[17:35] but I don't know,
[17:37] >> of course,
[17:37] >> where are your dollars being spent?
[17:40] >> Yes, I can get you a copy of the
[17:42] independence library budget if you want
[17:44] it. That how the process works for
[17:47] independence and I assume it's similar
[17:49] at the other eight, but I'm I'm not 100%
[17:52] positive what order they go. The library
[17:54] board, this is a Wisconsin state
[17:57] statute, so this is not different
[17:59] municipality to municipality, is
[18:01] responsible for all dollars allocated to
[18:04] library use. So if somebody makes a
[18:06] donation, when the city decides their
[18:08] allocation
[18:10] when we get our county reimbursement
[18:12] check, that's all put into the library
[18:16] pot. And once it's there, it's the
[18:18] library board's discretion on how it's
[18:20] used. So, for the city of independence,
[18:23] our library board makes a draft budget
[18:27] that doesn't quite balance um that shows
[18:32] the fixed costs that we know that we
[18:34] have, but then there's a few things that
[18:36] wiggle back and forth yeartoear, what we
[18:39] spend on adult books versus children's
[18:41] books, how much we can dedicate to
[18:44] programs and bringing in outside
[18:45] presenters, things like that. And of
[18:48] course, what you're all sick of talking
[18:50] about, health insurance. Um, during my
[18:54] eight budgeting cycles at the City of
[18:57] Independence, we've gone through five
[18:59] different health insurance providers and
[19:01] the range has ranged from 7,000 to
[19:04] 22,000 for my health insurance. So,
[19:08] we're dealing with the same kind of
[19:10] struggles. Um but from there once our
[19:13] board kind of has a skeleton we know
[19:15] what we have to go to the city to ask
[19:17] for and then we go to the city and we
[19:20] say our costs have gone up this much how
[19:24] much of that can you match? Um last year
[19:27] they said we can give you about a 2%
[19:29] increase. Our costs have gone up about
[19:32] 10%. So we're leaning a lot more heavily
[19:34] on our friends groups and our donors
[19:36] than we have in past years. And that's
[19:39] that's been the case most years. Um
[19:41] there were there were several years
[19:42] where the city wasn't in a position to
[19:44] give a budgetary increase at all. Um but
[19:47] when that happens then it goes back to
[19:50] the library board and then we have the
[19:52] fixed cost from the city. We know what
[19:54] our non-resident reimbursement is going
[19:57] to be. We receive
[20:00] um this reimbursement at the county
[20:02] level from any of the counties adjacent
[20:05] to us where we have borrowers. So, we're
[20:08] very close to the Buffalo County border.
[20:10] The city of Independence, when we have
[20:12] people who live up on the Montana
[20:14] Bridge, I believe they're in Buffalo
[20:16] County, um we do the same thing where we
[20:19] send that to Buffalo County and they
[20:22] reimburse us at 70% as their um
[20:27] so we have this money flowing in in
[20:30] independence from Buffalo County,
[20:32] Jackson County, Lacrosse County, and
[20:34] Oaklair County, and Tampa County. So
[20:37] that's kind of our main
[20:40] budget items for income is our city of
[20:43] independence allocation and those five
[20:46] county pots. Obviously for us, Trena
[20:48] County is far and wide the biggest piece
[20:51] of that county puzzle. Um but it all
[20:55] varies yeartoear. So after our annual
[20:58] report is done, we can calculate and
[21:00] kind of see what's coming down the line
[21:03] and then um kind of move around budget
[21:06] items from that. But [snorts] it is um
[21:11] I would say that's the main pieces of
[21:13] the budgeting process. So, our library
[21:16] board at this time has looked at a draft
[21:18] several times over and then in November
[21:21] they will have the final health
[21:23] insurance numbers and know what for sure
[21:26] is coming from Tampa County and at that
[21:28] time we can make a final final budget
[21:31] for 2027.
[21:32] >> Is your budget fiscal year or I mean a
[21:35] >> calendar year?
[21:35] >> Calendar year.
[21:36] >> It is and I believe all of the libraries
[21:38] are calendar year.
[21:41] >> Thank you.
[21:42] >> Yes, of course. As a library director,
[21:44] am I allowed to just kind of piggy back
[21:46] for just a second? Just
[21:48] >> come on up. I'll let you do that.
[21:50] [laughter]
[21:51] The
[21:51] >> mic is the mic is off.
[21:53] >> I think one of the things when you ask
[21:54] that question is where does the money
[21:56] come from? Where is it going to be?
[21:58] Sorry. Where's the money going to?
[22:00] Where's it coming? So
[22:02] >> the number the we got in 2026 came from
[22:05] our 2024 checkout. So this might help
[22:07] Andy as well when he thinks. So what the
[22:10] the formula for this is our full budget.
[22:15] So that's our book budget, our
[22:17] audiovisisual budget, our our um our
[22:21] wages, our insurance, everything that
[22:23] would cost us to run the library in the
[22:26] city of Arcadia for one full year. And
[22:29] then that's divided by the total number
[22:32] of circs that we have. So it's every
[22:34] circ that comes from everybody in the
[22:36] city of Arcadia and everybody who
[22:38] circked anywhere, you know, in the state
[22:41] of Wisconsin. So we divide it by that.
[22:43] That c that tells you how much it costs
[22:46] per circulation. Okay? So it might be
[22:50] $15. When we do that, then it's $15. So
[22:54] then everybody in Trampolo County who
[22:57] does not have a library. So somebody
[23:00] came from Blair and checked out books
[23:02] from us, they have a library. So it
[23:05] doesn't matter. That circ doesn't count.
[23:07] But it's all of those little areas that
[23:10] do not have a library. Those circs are
[23:12] are multiplied by the $15, which is the
[23:15] total cost it cost us. So if you were to
[23:18] hire an electrician and then at the end
[23:20] of the year say you know what or at the
[23:22] end of the project I think I'm
[23:23] [clears throat] only going to give them
[23:24] 70% because that's what [laughter] I
[23:27] want to give that you know electricians
[23:29] wouldn't do that. So you know for us to
[23:30] only be reimbursed at 70% puts a an a
[23:34] burden onto the city taxpayers. So does
[23:37] that help a little bit with
[23:38] understanding where that how the
[23:39] calculation works? And
[23:42] >> I I for myself, I understood I think I
[23:45] understood a little bit about the
[23:46] calculation, but I wasn't sure like
[23:48] health insurance, how do we budget
[23:49] wages, health insurance, um how do we
[23:51] know what we're spending on books? Like
[23:53] what does your budgeting process look
[23:55] like, I guess, is what I was asking and
[23:57] and I and Kayla answered that really
[23:59] well. Sure. So, um but I think the
[24:01] additional input is or explanation is
[24:03] helpful regardless.
[24:04] >> All right. Thank you.
[24:05] >> What I think it would be nice too is um
[24:07] one second. What would be nice too is if
[24:09] we can maybe um maybe ask Mary or
[24:12] somebody get an email that because it's
[24:13] a very important subject.
[24:15] >> Yes.
[24:15] >> Um and we can email all the um
[24:18] supervisors your information or her
[24:21] information on and then we can you know
[24:23] explain a little bit more when it comes
[24:25] to one-on-one. We have a a month to take
[24:27] a look at what's going on and or I guess
[24:29] it's less than a month now, isn't it?
[24:31] >> Well,
[24:32] >> but anyway, um so that way we can get
[24:34] some more information too. Yes. So that
[24:35] that's okay with you
[24:37] >> to do something like that. Go ahead.
[24:39] >> Just just one more question.
[24:40] >> Of course.
[24:41] >> Why aren't we using a user fee? Why
[24:43] aren't we charging a membership to
[24:45] people who are coming out instead of
[24:46] taxing the county as a whole? I guess
[24:48] that's my question. Like when I go to
[24:50] the pool, I have to pay every time I go.
[24:53] >> The Wisconsin state statutes don't allow
[24:55] for that. We're not allowed to charge
[24:58] >> Gotcha. Okay.
[25:00] >> Not allowed to charge anything. Um
[25:01] >> you can see
[25:03] >> Yep.
[25:04] >> Go ahead, Mr. Anderson.
[25:05] >> Well, historically, Tampa County has
[25:07] funded uh the libraries 100% for quite a
[25:09] few years, I think.
[25:11] >> And no doubt uh the budget here for
[25:13] 2027, it's going to be really really
[25:15] tight,
[25:16] >> of course.
[25:16] >> Just say for some reason the county
[25:18] decides not to fund it 100%.
[25:20] [cough and clears throat]
[25:21] How do you guys do you do fundraisers to
[25:24] get the make up the difference or what
[25:27] what's the plan? I can tell you for
[25:30] Independence Public Library, we would
[25:32] never be able to fund raise at the level
[25:34] to make up for that cut. We would be
[25:36] looking at reducing staff and closing
[25:40] additional hours. We would be open
[25:43] shorter days and be able to provide
[25:44] fewer services.
[25:46] >> Thank you, Mr. Steven.
[25:49] >> Could I just say one thing too that the
[25:50] library aid is not a factor in our levy
[25:54] limit. So, I mean, when we figure our
[25:57] budget
[25:59] and come up with what we think we're
[26:01] levy is going to be, we have to subtract
[26:04] the amount that we're paying the
[26:05] libraries because it's not part of our
[26:07] levy limit.
[26:08] >> Yes, libraries and bridges are
[26:10] >> and and county highway bridges. That's
[26:12] the two
[26:13] >> those are the two exceptions. So,
[26:15] >> what is the dollar amount that it
[26:17] typically is?
[26:18] >> Oh,
[26:18] >> for 100%.
[26:19] >> Mary, have you got
[26:21] >> Mary? Can I use those numbers that I
[26:23] went to your office to get? I I went to
[26:26] Mary's office and calculated out and I
[26:28] calculated on a per Trump County citizen
[26:32] rate and at a the total was $68,000.
[26:38] >> It's not that high
[26:39] >> at 100 at 100%.
[26:41] >> That includes the the other counties
[26:45] what's
[26:45] >> that was the other counties that were
[26:47] involved.
[26:47] >> Oh, are you you're not saying Temple
[26:49] County residents, you're saying
[26:50] non-residents. I'm saying the total
[26:53] expense is 608,000
[26:56] at 100% including all
[26:59] >> librarians Fall Creek and the other
[27:00] ones.
[27:01] >> And then at 100% it was uh $196
[27:07] per citizen
[27:09] >> when I calculated it out and at uh 70%
[27:14] it was [clears throat] $144
[27:16] per citizen of Tolo County. So I wanted
[27:19] to be able to compare. So people could
[27:21] look if we did it at the 100% and if we
[27:24] did it at the 70%.
[27:26] >> I don't think that math is accurate
[27:28] because you're already reimbursing. So
[27:31] that number that's 600
[27:33] >> 68,000
[27:34] >> 68,000 includes what's sent to our
[27:37] Trenville County Libraries, but it also
[27:39] includes a contribution to Winding
[27:41] Rivers Library System.
[27:42] >> Yes. It was everything.
[27:44] >> Yes. But those are already at the legal
[27:46] minimums. what you pay to Jackson
[27:48] County, Lacrosse County, Buffalo County,
[27:52] >> Oakair,
[27:53] >> Oaklair County is already showing that
[27:56] 70%.
[27:57] >> Okay.
[27:57] >> So, if you take an additional 30% off,
[27:59] you're going to have a deficit and
[28:01] you're going to get
[28:02] >> the total was 608,000 for the total.
[28:06] >> Yep.
[28:06] >> And then the um that was per if we do it
[28:10] per citizen, it was $196 per citizen.
[28:14] >> So, we're just doing that comparison.
[28:16] We'd have to reduce cut those out. The
[28:18] additional ones out that were not
[28:20] >> But that's the 70% compared to the 100%
[28:23] was what I was trying to
[28:24] >> evaluate.
[28:25] >> Yeah, that's not a But the but your
[28:29] 68,000
[28:32] is already at 70% reimbursement for
[28:35] Buffalo, Jackson, Lacrosse, Oaklair
[28:39] counties.
[28:40] >> So the total Okay. The total that you
[28:42] gave me in comparison. Okay.
[28:46] Go ahead,
[28:47] >> Mary. You got the the report from
[28:49] Winding Rivers already, right? Okay. But
[28:52] it was not that high, was it?
[28:55] >> I looked at them briefly. I have to look
[28:57] at them again.
[28:58] >> Yeah. They're already budgeted. So,
[29:00] >> last year was $10,854.
[29:05] >> Yeah. [clears throat]
[29:07] >> The Winding Rivers contribution from the
[29:10] county doesn't count in that
[29:11] calculation. It's only the libraries,
[29:14] not the
[29:15] >> the Winding Rivers.
[29:17] >> So that 608,000 is your Winding Rivers
[29:20] contribution.
[29:22] >> 70% of
[29:25] the cost of Tampa County residents using
[29:29] Jackson County libraries. So Black River
[29:32] Falls Library, you are already not
[29:34] giving them 100% reimbursement, you're
[29:36] giving [clears throat] them 70%. So that
[29:39] 608,000
[29:42] is only showing 100% for county
[29:46] libraries. It's not.
[29:48] >> So you can't take that number and
[29:50] subtract 30% and expect to be able to
[29:52] pay that amount. You can only take off
[29:55] 30% of what you're paying
[29:58] to county services.
[30:01] >> So we can go through and do the math
[30:02] before the next meeting. I was just
[30:04] saying I was get giving people a
[30:05] ballpark so we knew what the total
[30:08] numbers were.
[30:08] >> Yeah.
[30:10] >> Well, we all know there's a lot to
[30:11] discuss.
[30:12] >> Well, there's math to do too.
[30:14] >> Yes. [laughter] So, we will definitely
[30:15] look at that.
[30:16] >> Okay.
[30:16] >> Any Go ahead.
[30:18] >> Just want to echo the support uh you've
[30:20] heard from other supervisors. I thank
[30:22] you for what you do for our communities
[30:25] and the services that you provide. I
[30:27] fully support the 100%.
[30:29] >> Thank you.
[30:31] >> Okay.
[30:32] >> Awesome. Thank you so much.
[30:34] >> Yes, thank you guys for your time.
[30:35] >> Thanks everybody for coming out.
[30:36] >> And please stop in to the new
[30:38] Independence Public Library sometime
[30:40] when you have a chance. On Wednesday, we
[30:42] have the ADRC's brain health conference
[30:45] and we'll have a full house then. So,
[30:47] that's a good time to come in for a
[30:48] tour.
[30:49] >> It definitely is a beautiful building.
[30:51] >> Thank you.
[30:52] >> You You might get some people stopping
[30:53] and seeing you. So,
[30:54] >> perfect. Thank you.
[30:56] >> Thank you so much. All right. We're
[30:58] going to go ahead and move the um B um
[31:00] exit conference on 2025 audit with Baker
[31:03] Tilly. We have Sheen and Vanessa.
[31:10] >> You need electricity.
[31:11] >> You guys need help or
[31:13] >> there's a there's a strip right down
[31:15] there if she needs to be plugged in.
[31:20] >> It's right
[31:27] >> [cough]
[31:28] >> This tells me you didn't get in the
[31:29] computer yet.
[31:32] >> I have the right in.
[31:34] >> No, you see I still don't have a tea key
[31:37] right here.
[31:45] >> There's room
[31:48] up there. Okay.
[31:53] >> All right.
[31:57] >> [clears throat]
[32:02] >> pretty much emptied everything.
[32:03] >> Is going to share her screen here.
[32:05] Second.
[32:11] >> All right. Just so the public knows, we
[32:12] are getting everything set up so Sheen
[32:14] and Vanessa can speak to us on the audit
[32:16] today.
[32:23] All right. Well, thank you. Good
[32:25] evening. Thank you for having us
[32:27] tonight. I am Sheen Hediger, uh,
[32:29] principal with Baker Tilly, and I
[32:32] oversee the county's annual audit
[32:33] process. With me, I have Vanessa Kaine,
[32:37] um, senior manager also with Baker
[32:39] Tilly. uh she's a little more in our
[32:42] day-to-day of the uh audit process. So
[32:45] we brought her along as well to to add
[32:47] any insights.
[32:50] Um so this handout did get emailed to
[32:53] you I think earlier today, not too much
[32:56] earlier but um otherwise we will have it
[32:58] on the screen too. So I am going to
[33:01] cover tonight um the financial
[33:03] statements which encompasses the
[33:05] independent auditor's report and go over
[33:07] some financial highlights. Um the second
[33:10] report we issued um is the report on oh
[33:13] no sorry almost issued um the report on
[33:15] federal and state awards. That one will
[33:17] be done shortly this week. Um and then
[33:19] the final report the reporting and
[33:21] insights letter. Um so the first the the
[33:25] financial statements and the reporting
[33:26] and insights letter were completed back
[33:28] in July um to meet the the state
[33:31] statutes deadline of July 31st. And then
[33:34] that reporting in or report on federal
[33:36] and state awards um is due Wednesday
[33:39] this week, the 30th. So that one will be
[33:41] is nearly finished up.
[33:44] Um so starting out with the independent
[33:45] auditor's report. Um so this is the
[33:48] first three or so pages of your
[33:50] financial statements. Uh this is really
[33:53] the only part of the financial
[33:55] statements that is us as the auditors.
[33:56] The rest of the financial statements is
[33:58] that of the counties.
[34:00] Um for 2025 we did issue an unmodified
[34:03] opinion. So that's also known as a clean
[34:05] opinion. That is the highest level that
[34:07] the county can receive. Um what that
[34:10] means is we found that the financial
[34:11] statements were presented fairly in all
[34:14] material aspects in accordance with US
[34:16] GAAP.
[34:18] Um throughout the auditor's report then
[34:20] we distinguish between the roles of
[34:22] management and the auditor. So
[34:25] management's responsibility as I
[34:27] mentioned is the preparation and fair
[34:29] presentation of those financial
[34:30] statements. Um management is to design,
[34:33] implement and maintain internal controls
[34:35] over financial reporting and evaluate
[34:38] whether there are any conditions or
[34:39] events that raise a substantial doubt
[34:41] about the ability to continue operations
[34:44] into the future.
[34:46] Um the auditor's responsibility um is to
[34:49] obtain a reasonable assurance that those
[34:51] financials are free from material
[34:53] misstatement.
[34:54] uh a reasonable assurance is a high
[34:56] level. It's not absolute. Uh we are
[34:59] sampling transactions. We are you know
[35:02] talking with various people to get
[35:04] information. Uh we are not looking at
[35:06] everything. Uh we would be here all year
[35:08] round. Um and you know audit costs would
[35:12] be even higher. So um just know it's
[35:14] it's a reasonable assurance. Um a
[35:16] misstatement is considered material if
[35:18] there is substantial likelihood that it
[35:20] would influence the judgment of a
[35:22] reasonable user.
[35:24] Um so again not not necessarily a
[35:28] specific dollar threshold is considered
[35:30] material. It's there's judgment involved
[35:32] there too.
[35:34] Um in performing our audit we exercise
[35:36] professional judgment and maintain
[35:38] professional skepticism.
[35:40] Um we identify and assess the risks of
[35:42] material misstatements.
[35:44] We obtain um an understanding of those
[35:47] internal controls that are to be
[35:48] maintained. Um and then we evaluate any
[35:51] accounting policies and estimates used
[35:53] by management and finally u conclude
[35:57] whether there are any of those
[35:58] conditions or events raising substantial
[36:00] doubt.
[36:04] All right. Then we'll go over some
[36:06] financial highlights
[36:08] and we did go over these um in more
[36:10] detail with the exec finance committee
[36:13] last month. Um, so I I'm going to keep
[36:17] it a little bit high level, but if if
[36:19] there are questions, you can interrupt
[36:21] just as I'm going or or save them to the
[36:23] end.
[36:24] So we start out with a graphic of the
[36:26] the general fund uh fund balance. This
[36:29] is going to be one of the most important
[36:31] metrics to assess the health of the
[36:33] county as a whole. Um the general fund
[36:35] being your main operating account. Um
[36:38] and having a a strong fund balance
[36:40] [cough]
[36:41] [clears throat] allows for um you know
[36:43] unplanned budget needs um any shortfalls
[36:46] that may come out of budgeting and then
[36:48] just flexibility for spending to offset
[36:51] timing of when re revenues come in.
[36:54] Um your fund balance can be categorized
[36:56] in any of these five categories. They
[36:58] are listed in order of liquidity and
[37:00] restriction. Um the first being
[37:02] non-spendable. So, as the the term
[37:05] alludes to, it is a non-spendable form.
[37:08] It's not liquid. Uh, this is your
[37:11] long-term tax certificates and prepaid
[37:13] expenses.
[37:15] Um, the county did not have anything in
[37:17] the restricted fund balance 425. Um,
[37:20] committed is that which you as the board
[37:22] have set aside by resolution for
[37:25] specific purpose. Um, that 1.2 million
[37:28] is your workers comp reserve.
[37:31] And then assigned is largely your
[37:33] non-lapsing accounts. So the departments
[37:36] that have you know money set aside for
[37:38] future uses um makes up most of that
[37:41] assigned balance. And then the
[37:42] unassigned is the residual positive um
[37:44] general fund balance to be used for
[37:47] operations and and future savings.
[37:50] So all in all fund balance at the end of
[37:52] 2025 was um just under 13.1 million.
[37:59] All right, the next slide then um looks
[38:02] at the general fund um available fund
[38:05] balance. So that which you have control
[38:07] over spending. Um so taking the
[38:09] committed assigned and unassigned
[38:11] balances together and comparing that to
[38:13] your general fund expenditures. Um so
[38:16] this is really a measure of adequacy. Do
[38:18] you have adequate reserves um compared
[38:21] to a year's worth of expenditures? Um so
[38:24] for 2025 that available fund balance um
[38:28] makes up about 68% of your annual
[38:31] expenditures. So if you were to have
[38:34] nothing come in the door in 2026, you
[38:36] can essentially operate for about eight
[38:38] months. Um the blue line across the
[38:41] slide is the Government Finance Officers
[38:45] Association's recommended minimum. So
[38:47] they recommended no less than two months
[38:49] in those reserves. Um we say you know
[38:53] six to nine months is probably a more
[38:55] adequate. So um based on those
[38:58] recommendations I would say Tumble
[39:00] County has adequate um available fund
[39:02] balance.
[39:06] U so how did we get to that fund
[39:08] balance? So for 2025
[39:11] um the general fund did see net income
[39:14] of $143,000.
[39:16] So the top part of this slide, the 2025
[39:19] actual column um compared to a budget
[39:23] amount um you know you budgeted for a
[39:25] loss of 3.3 million. So ultimately
[39:28] results u much much more favorable than
[39:31] budget and then we have 2024 there just
[39:34] as a a reference point.
[39:36] Um you some of the things that led to uh
[39:40] revenues being about 1.7 million over
[39:43] budget. um some of your sales tax
[39:45] revenues were higher than budgeted. Um
[39:48] you did have some municipalities within
[39:50] the county that uh ended tiff districts,
[39:54] so there was a reimbursement back to the
[39:56] county um for those.
[39:59] Um,
[40:00] and then on the expenditure side, uh,
[40:03] being about $1.7 million below budget,
[40:07] um, a lot of that is the the workers
[40:09] comp adjustment was about $1.1 million
[40:12] less than than budgeted. Um, and then
[40:15] some other areas. So, if if you're
[40:17] curious on a more detailed level, um,
[40:19] page 54 of the financial statements has
[40:22] a budget to actual um, by department.
[40:26] So you can see those.
[40:29] All right, this next sections then um I
[40:31] do want to point out the headings here
[40:33] change. Now we've got, you know,
[40:34] three-year comparison 25, 24, and 23. Um
[40:38] so looking at just total cash of the
[40:40] county. Um
[40:43] you know, unrestricted cash at the end
[40:45] of 2025
[40:47] was 25 a.5 million. Um restrict
[40:50] restricted cash is 4.9 million. Um that
[40:54] is the left what was left of the the
[40:57] courthouse debt for the the remodel
[41:00] project.
[41:01] Um and then fiduciary funds are that
[41:04] which the county is holding on behalf of
[41:07] other municipalities or um inmate
[41:11] accounts such it's not county funds.
[41:13] You're just holding on to it for others.
[41:17] Um right and then the county has a
[41:20] variety of other funds. So, the special
[41:22] revenue funds um largely encompassed by
[41:25] the human services, public health,
[41:28] senior services um activities.
[41:31] Um you can see, you know, year-over-year
[41:35] human services did experience um about a
[41:38] $600,000 loss. Um we could talk a little
[41:42] more about that in a bit. Um otherwise,
[41:45] the other funds fairly stable
[41:48] year-over-year.
[41:50] Um see the next one then is the debt
[41:54] service fund. Um you know this is where
[41:56] you pay your principal and interest
[41:57] annually. So you levy for the expected
[42:00] payments and make those. So that fund um
[42:03] naturally is is nearly a break even. And
[42:06] then the capital projects fund um you
[42:09] did issue $6.5 million of new debt. Um,
[42:13] and then as you paid down some of those
[42:15] courthouse remodel costs,
[42:19] some of that was left then in the fund
[42:20] balance, some of those debt proceeds.
[42:25] All right. And we've got the
[42:28] enterprise fund is the highway. Um, I
[42:32] should make mention that the healthc
[42:34] care center and the farm are also
[42:36] enterprise funds, but those are audited
[42:38] by other auditors. So, we don't they're
[42:41] brought into the county's financials,
[42:42] but we don't do the audit. So, I I don't
[42:44] have details on that one on those two
[42:47] funds.
[42:48] Um, but for the count for the highway,
[42:51] uh, you know, fairly steady
[42:53] year-over-year. Um, there was some
[42:55] change in how
[42:58] some of the highway money flowed between
[43:00] county funds. Um, but it it really
[43:04] brought revenues and expenses together.
[43:06] So the the net impact was zero. Um so
[43:10] just a different different methodology
[43:12] there.
[43:15] All right. And then the last
[43:18] financial highlight we have is just
[43:19] looking at some debt metrics. Um so at
[43:22] the end of 2025 the county had
[43:25] outstanding general obligation debt of
[43:28] um just under 70 million.
[43:31] That is your debt that is uh levy
[43:33] funded. So that doesn't count doesn't
[43:35] count any um revenue bonds that the
[43:37] healthcare center has.
[43:40] Um and then the the tax capacity is uund
[43:45] almost 192,000 million. Um so the county
[43:48] has used about 36% of its debt capacity
[43:51] at the end of 25.
[43:54] Uh the last section there is is looking
[43:56] at your principal and interest payments
[44:00] as a percentage of all expenditures.
[44:03] Um the bond rating agencies like to see
[44:06] that being under 20%. If you were to be
[44:08] going for rated bonds, that's one metric
[44:10] they look at. Um so for 2025 and you
[44:14] know pretty consistently the last few
[44:16] years, it's about 14.5%
[44:18] um of your non- capital expenditures are
[44:21] principal and interest payments.
[44:26] Right.
[44:28] Okay. The next report then the report on
[44:30] federal and state awards. So, this is
[44:32] the we refer to it also as a single
[44:35] audit. This is where we're digging into
[44:36] your um federal and state programs.
[44:41] Um for 2025, the county expended about
[44:44] $4.5 million of federal awards and just
[44:48] under $3 million of state awards.
[44:51] Within that then we have to go through a
[44:53] process um prescribed by the OM to
[44:58] select which funds need to be tested as
[45:00] major for 2025. We've tested the corona
[45:03] virus state and local fiscal recovery
[45:05] funds more commonly known as your ARPA
[45:08] money. Um and then the Medicaid cluster
[45:12] so your grants to states for Medicaid.
[45:15] And then on the state side, we tested
[45:16] the basic county allocation and the ADRC
[45:20] funding.
[45:22] >> May we ask questions?
[45:24] >> Yeah.
[45:25] >> Yeah.
[45:26] >> So, uh just a clarification there. Um
[45:29] when you say awards, are those grants or
[45:31] are those u monies that we've applied
[45:34] for to receive or
[45:35] >> grants? Yes. Yep. Um, some of it is, you
[45:40] know, an annual application. Some of it,
[45:42] like your, um, DHS and DCF awards are
[45:46] are more of a ongoing
[45:49] basis. Yeah.
[45:55] All right. Um, so we do plan to issue
[45:57] this report. Um, we sent it out in draft
[45:59] today. Um, so it it's nearly fine or
[46:03] nearly final. just at getting a couple
[46:05] of final things. Um so there are two
[46:09] opinions within this report. Um the
[46:11] first being internal controls over
[46:13] financial reporting. Um so this is the
[46:16] the controls and processes over your
[46:19] financial statements not necessarily the
[46:21] the federal and state awards. Um for
[46:24] 2025 we do have three material
[46:26] weaknesses that were um reported.
[46:30] The first is is a repeat from you know
[46:33] many years. We as your auditors prepare
[46:35] the financial statements. Um we also put
[46:38] together the schedule of expenditures of
[46:40] federal and state awards and we have
[46:42] material journal entries that are done
[46:44] through our audit process. Um, this one
[46:47] is seen at, you know, 85 to 90% of my
[46:51] governments that I do because you don't
[46:52] have CPAs on staff to keep up with all
[46:55] the accounting standards and and to to
[46:57] really put together the full financial
[46:59] statement document. So, that's a common
[47:01] one.
[47:02] Um, the next two were new for 2025. Um,
[47:07] we reported a a lack of account
[47:09] reconciliations. Um when we started the
[47:12] audit, we found a number of accounts and
[47:14] and records that were not properly
[47:16] [clears throat] reconciled for the year.
[47:19] And then the final one is the tax tax
[47:21] settlement process. Um
[47:24] you know, we found a number of errors
[47:26] through that process that had to be
[47:27] corrected into 2026.
[47:30] Um there are more details on those um in
[47:33] the reporting and insights letter. So,
[47:35] if you have this one, um it's the one
[47:38] with the blue cover,
[47:40] um you can read more on those. We did
[47:43] not find any instances of non-compliance
[47:45] though over financial reporting.
[47:49] Okay. The second report then within this
[47:52] is the the report on compliance for
[47:54] those major federal and state programs
[47:56] that we looked at.
[47:58] Um we are you know most of the programs
[48:02] we tested fall under that human services
[48:04] or senior services umbrella. Um we we
[48:08] have to also look at those programs but
[48:10] there's um general requirements as well.
[48:13] So DHS and DCF both have general
[48:17] requirements that have to be tested
[48:18] every year um for 25 the federal
[48:22] programs. So, we did have one finding
[48:24] within the um ARPA money um that we
[48:28] classified as a significant deficiency
[48:30] in internal controls and um a compliance
[48:33] finding and that related to the
[48:34] reporting annual reporting that's due on
[48:38] those state programs. We did find
[48:40] [clears throat] eight um findings. So,
[48:42] eight significant deficiencies in
[48:44] internal controls and seven of them were
[48:46] considered compliance findings. Um, of
[48:49] those eight, two were over the ADRC
[48:52] program. The other six relate to those
[48:54] general requirements.
[48:56] Um, the biggest things there's there's
[49:00] no reconciliations being done of grant
[49:02] programs. Um, this seems to be leading
[49:05] to some funding potentially being missed
[49:08] or not not being received. Um, there are
[49:14] I can't remember what the rest are.
[49:19] Um
[49:22] there are, you know,
[49:25] employees that are not properly um or
[49:27] don't have the proper training
[49:29] documented. They may have had it done,
[49:31] but there's no documentation of it. Um
[49:36] we found
[49:40] um
[49:46] Let's see what I was going to say. Um
[49:48] provider contracts. So you are required
[49:51] to you know have a contract with a
[49:53] provider um including a the dollar of
[49:57] services to provide. We found several of
[49:59] those that were overexpended beyond the
[50:01] beyond the contract amount. Um so I do
[50:04] recommend when this report comes out uh
[50:06] it will be public record. You know it
[50:09] will be shared with all of you. But um I
[50:12] think that is a these are really
[50:14] critical to look at and they're not new.
[50:16] Um some of them are repeats from
[50:18] previous years and we know there's been
[50:20] a lot of turnover that has led to some
[50:22] of this um you know lack of training. So
[50:25] ju just important for for you as the
[50:27] board to understand um those things.
[50:32] Um so that report like I said will be
[50:34] done in the next day or two.
[50:37] Um the last report then that we issued
[50:40] um again this this blue covered one um
[50:42] the reporting and insights letter that
[50:44] one really is a summary of the how the
[50:46] audit went for the year. Um so pages
[50:49] five through eight of that letter have
[50:51] the um audit approach and the results.
[50:54] Um few highlights there we have the
[50:56] significant estimates that we identified
[50:59] being the net pension liability um self-
[51:01] insurance and depreciation over your
[51:04] capital assets.
[51:06] Um we did not have any disagreements
[51:08] with management or consultations outside
[51:10] of our audit team. Um we did note
[51:13] difficulties during this audit process.
[51:16] Um you know primarily related to those
[51:18] weaknesses that I identified um lack of
[51:21] reconciliations
[51:23] um so to the extent that we had a lot of
[51:26] audit adjustments um and it just delayed
[51:29] delayed the audit process and resulted
[51:30] in more time.
[51:33] Um, and then the the letter does include
[51:35] those corrected audit misstatements.
[51:38] And then looking ahead to upcoming
[51:41] Gazsby standards, there's some
[51:42] information in the letter. U Gazsby 103
[51:45] will be probably the most impactful. Um,
[51:49] and we'll work with county management to
[51:52] make sure that one's properly
[51:53] implemented, but um, it'll just change
[51:56] mostly some of the highway schedule or
[51:59] that that enterprise fund. um
[52:01] [clears throat] things will move around.
[52:05] Any other things to add, Vanessa?
[52:09] >> Um
[52:09] >> put you on the spot.
[52:10] >> Put me on the spot.
[52:12] >> Um no, I guess I would just reiterate
[52:15] the the um the findings that we did
[52:19] found this year. Uh and the notice of
[52:21] this is not a a brand new situation. So,
[52:25] um the feel like the the grant and
[52:30] funding situation happening within DHS
[52:32] is important and there's [snorts] a lot
[52:34] of um regulations, there's a lot of
[52:36] reports, there's a lot of training that
[52:38] needs to be done. So, um kind of
[52:42] assisting them with what they need to
[52:45] get up to speed would be um my
[52:48] recommendation in that point. Um, and
[52:50] then also
[52:52] just thank you to um everybody who
[52:54] helped out with the audit this year. Um,
[52:57] the clerk's office and um, treasur's
[53:00] office, finance administration. U,
[53:03] everybody's always willing to help and
[53:05] talk through things. So, I really
[53:07] appreciate all their help.
[53:09] >> Thank you.
[53:10] >> Yes. And we we understand it was a a
[53:12] harder process on the county side, too.
[53:14] I mean, we were asking a lot of
[53:16] questions of people who hadn't done
[53:18] these things before or, you know, maybe
[53:20] there was somebody else in the position
[53:22] before. They don't even know where to
[53:23] find the information, but um yeah,
[53:26] everybody's wonderful to work with. Um
[53:28] and we got through it. So, we do
[53:30] appreciate all of the assistance. Oh,
[53:33] and
[53:34] yeah, just a so you may finance exec
[53:38] finance was probably more aware of this,
[53:40] but you did go through a a full ERP
[53:43] general ledger system um changeover this
[53:47] year which did lead to some of these um
[53:51] issues and
[53:54] difficulties that were had. So um it's
[53:56] not a an every year planned occurrence.
[53:58] It's more of a perfect storm of a lot of
[54:01] things happening at once. So,
[54:07] >> anybody have any questions for them that
[54:10] they haven't already covered? [laughter]
[54:12] >> So, my understanding is the cost of the
[54:14] audit was significantly higher than past
[54:16] years. What was the main reasons for
[54:19] that? Maybe you just mentioned those,
[54:21] but
[54:22] >> Yep. So, as I mentioned, those those
[54:24] kind of difficulties that ended up
[54:26] occurring during the audit. Um, there
[54:29] was a lot of time put into this from our
[54:33] end um in like June and July of this
[54:35] year and it was our level time. Um, it
[54:39] was, you know, it was just things we
[54:40] couldn't give to our staff to work on.
[54:42] Um, Vanessa and I were down here on
[54:44] multiple occasions and working through
[54:46] things. So, it just Yeah.
[54:49] >> What do we need to do to bring it down?
[54:52] Um, I would say number one is is staff
[54:55] training to understand their roles,
[54:57] understand what needs to be happening.
[55:01] Um, I know that there are conversations
[55:04] that have been happening within the
[55:05] county to try to mitigate those things.
[55:08] Um, I don't there isn't a a one simple
[55:11] answer to tell you how to fix it all.
[55:13] But
[55:17] >> go ahead, Don.
[55:19] Um, [laughter] just a little bit curious
[55:21] about a couple of things. We got the
[55:22] financial statements and supplementary
[55:24] information from Baker Tilly, but I
[55:26] don't recognize the blue
[55:28] the form that you said,
[55:32] >> the reporting and insights.
[55:33] >> Yeah. Did everybody get that?
[55:37] >> I know the exact finance committee had
[55:39] it last month, but
[55:43] >> yeah,
[55:46] >> I mentioned this before. I think we got
[55:48] less of these than in previous years.
[55:51] So, I bet you not the whole county board
[55:53] got these, but I think Mary got
[55:55] something from you guys that you gave to
[55:59] the rest of the board.
[56:00] >> Well, we got we got
[56:00] >> What was the synopsis like?
[56:03] >> What you got back in August?
[56:04] >> Just and in August it was just the
[56:06] financial statements and supplementary
[56:08] information report. It's like a 62page
[56:10] report or 75page report or whatever. But
[56:12] >> yeah,
[56:13] >> um
[56:14] >> this one's available in electronic
[56:15] format too. So, [clears throat] um, if
[56:18] Yeah,
[56:18] >> cuz what I'm understanding is is that's
[56:20] where most of your findings and
[56:21] recommendations are located. Yes.
[56:23] >> Cuz I would assume if we want to bring
[56:25] down our audit costs, we would want to
[56:27] implement the suggested resolutions to
[56:30] those findings, which there are specific
[56:33] recommendations for resolution. Correct.
[56:37] >> I believe if I've read them before,
[56:38] >> there are recommendations. they are high
[56:40] level because
[56:42] >> we're not going to
[56:44] >> you know we can't identify the dayto-day
[56:46] that needs to happen to do that but yes
[56:48] sure
[56:52] >> Mr. chair. Oh,
[56:55] >> go [clears throat] ahead.
[56:57] >> Um just just a question for you. Um, as
[57:02] far as
[57:04] um, obviously we more recently hired a
[57:08] finance manager, but having in this day
[57:12] and age with the size of budgets and all
[57:14] the things that are required,
[57:16] do you feel that having the policies and
[57:20] procedures in place and the right people
[57:23] such as an accounting specialist, a
[57:26] finance specialist to be a director and
[57:30] oversee be everything in the county.
[57:32] Would this help the process?
[57:38] Um,
[57:40] I'm going to start while you think.
[57:42] Sure. Okay. Uh so uh I do agree that
[57:46] sufficient financial financially trained
[57:49] staffing is important uh to not um I
[57:54] think you're starting from the top level
[57:56] down but it's more of the ground level
[57:58] up um the daytoday who's doing these um
[58:03] reconciliations who's doing these
[58:04] entries who's reviewing these entries on
[58:07] a daily weekly monthly basis. Um that's
[58:12] where it starts and that's a lot of
[58:14] where um things went wrong this year. I
[58:18] know that you said that um you had hired
[58:21] um the the finance Pam this year, but
[58:24] she didn't start until
[58:27] May. Um so you had a full year and a
[58:30] half of
[58:32] no one performing the duties. Um well,
[58:36] they were do performing some of the
[58:37] duties, but not all. Um so there was a
[58:40] lot of catchup being done. So, um
[58:43] staffing from that ground level up and
[58:45] proper training is probably the key to
[58:49] that and having um as you had said um
[58:53] specific financial
[58:56] staff um who that's their duties and
[58:59] roles
[59:01] and what they're trained
[59:04] >> and
[59:05] right and we did hire Pam as a financial
[59:08] manager Uh but we she really was
[59:14] obviously a better replacement because
[59:16] then we had a finance manager, but she
[59:18] really only replaced another individual
[59:21] that was overseeing some of the finances
[59:25] in the county. So we haven't really
[59:27] increased any staff in that department.
[59:30] Um,
[59:33] so there's who trains who trains these
[59:37] people if you don't have someone that
[59:40] can give the proper training
[59:45] and that that really goes to the hiring
[59:47] process. Are are you are you
[59:49] [clears throat] searching for someone
[59:50] with the qualifications that are needed
[59:52] to step into a role of such?
[59:55] I mean, you you can't hire an
[59:56] electrician to be your accountant. So,
[59:59] um, you have to have somebody maybe with
[1:00:02] the proper education ahead of time. Um,
[1:00:06] you know, from an outside perspective. I
[1:00:08] think Pam has that understanding or you
[1:00:12] know, your finance manager. Sorry, I
[1:00:14] don't know if I'm supposed to be saying
[1:00:15] these fine.
[1:00:16] >> Um, you know, she came from another
[1:00:18] county has that knowledge. I would hope
[1:00:22] that's a person who could share that and
[1:00:25] train as well. But um you know there are
[1:00:28] there are leagues of county
[1:00:31] you know boards and and different
[1:00:33] trainings available to um county
[1:00:36] employees that you could look into as
[1:00:38] well. Um you know I we can't tell you
[1:00:42] again what the magic answer is. Um
[1:00:45] [clears throat] we do have services
[1:00:46] available to look at you know policies
[1:00:48] and procedures to look at personnel
[1:00:50] needs assessments where we can do a deep
[1:00:52] dive into who's in the roles what is the
[1:00:55] responsibility of the role what are
[1:00:57] those duties and then we can give you
[1:00:59] findings of that of you know yep you
[1:01:02] need another person here or you know
[1:01:05] this person could maybe move over to
[1:01:06] this role this duty could be shifted um
[1:01:09] those are things that we have um
[1:01:11] consultants that can do deep d deep
[1:01:13] dives into
[1:01:15] based on, you know, our four months here
[1:01:18] of working on the audit. I don't know
[1:01:21] that we can give that magic um answer
[1:01:24] tonight.
[1:01:26] >> Supervisor Leonard, go ahead.
[1:01:28] >> I have a couple questions for you. I
[1:01:29] guess one probably um as far as the the
[1:01:34] system that we got, the software system,
[1:01:36] is that going to help us out in the
[1:01:38] future or is that something that really
[1:01:42] isn't going to make a whole lot of
[1:01:44] difference if you know it's not used
[1:01:46] properly or whatever?
[1:01:47] >> It's a good system. We've we've seen it
[1:01:49] at several other local governments.
[1:01:52] >> Okay.
[1:01:53] >> It has to be used properly. Mhm.
[1:01:56] >> Again, you have to have the personnel to
[1:01:58] input the personnel to use it. So, if
[1:02:00] it's used to its proper function,
[1:02:02] absolutely, it will be a benefit.
[1:02:04] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:02:08] >> All right.
[1:02:09] >> Oh, go ahead, Mr.
[1:02:10] >> I just want to clarify for anyone
[1:02:12] watching at home, Pam joined us in 2026.
[1:02:15] This audits for 2025.
[1:02:18] The mistakes, she probably cleaned a
[1:02:20] heck of a lot of them up before we even
[1:02:22] got to the audit. I can't speak for her,
[1:02:25] but I want to just be abundantly clear
[1:02:27] that her and her department had nothing
[1:02:29] to do with any of the mistakes from
[1:02:31] 2025.
[1:02:34] >> Thank you. Anything else?
[1:02:38] >> All right. Oh, go ahead, Don.
[1:02:39] >> I think it might just be worth
[1:02:41] mentioning. [clears throat] I did hear
[1:02:42] you speak to this a little bit, but I I
[1:02:44] want to just reiterate that I think the
[1:02:46] Tyler system and implementing that has
[1:02:49] been difficult and has had um or has led
[1:02:52] to some of the audit findings. I don't
[1:02:55] want to disregard that statement by any
[1:02:57] means, but some of these findings are
[1:02:59] not new. And I think that's a really
[1:03:02] important thing to be sure that we're
[1:03:04] all aware of. We can go back and look at
[1:03:08] other published recommendations.
[1:03:10] Many of them are not new. So we can't
[1:03:14] say that the Tyler system is the result
[1:03:17] of all of these recommendations and that
[1:03:19] by training staff we will fully resolve
[1:03:22] the issues.
[1:03:23] >> A little a little bit to the
[1:03:25] clarification he just made, you went
[1:03:27] effective with Tyler in January 1 of 26.
[1:03:30] So, while it did lead to some of the
[1:03:33] issues with the audit because, you know,
[1:03:35] your staff was taking time elsewhere to
[1:03:37] try to train up on Tyler and reports
[1:03:40] weren't so readily available out of the
[1:03:42] old system.
[1:03:43] >> Well, that's a really great
[1:03:45] communication. I didn't think of
[1:03:46] >> the financial information was in your
[1:03:49] old system for 2025.
[1:03:51] >> Thank you.
[1:03:55] >> Thank you guys.
[1:03:56] >> Yeah.
[1:03:56] >> Greatly appreciated.
[1:03:58] >> All right. Thank you.
[1:04:06] Oh, while they're getting their stuff
[1:04:07] put together, we'll ask Rebecca if she'd
[1:04:09] like to give her report.
[1:04:10] >> Yeah, I just want to thank both Sheen
[1:04:12] and Vanessa. They're just really great
[1:04:14] to work with. So, thank you so so much.
[1:04:17] Um, it's pleasure working with them.
[1:04:19] They're so knowledgeable and helpful and
[1:04:21] just really um great to work with. So,
[1:04:24] thank you. Thank you both. I think that
[1:04:27] was one thing that I, you know, through
[1:04:28] this whole conversation was thinking
[1:04:30] about is that in 2025 we were still
[1:04:33] using new vision that we had been in.
[1:04:36] You know, yes, a transition to a new
[1:04:38] system is a lot of extra work and that
[1:04:41] is a lot on people, but um there were a
[1:04:44] lot of losses within our old system that
[1:04:49] we were using. So it it that is not to
[1:04:52] blame on the Tyler system. Um anyway, I
[1:04:55] just wanted to quick give a um update
[1:04:58] and just a thank you for all the
[1:05:00] well-wishes that I've received. Thank
[1:05:01] you so much. I really do appreciate
[1:05:03] everyone's outreach and um I wanted to
[1:05:07] also then follow up with my recent
[1:05:09] announcement on taking a new position
[1:05:12] starting up in November that I just want
[1:05:14] to thank you and I want to give you an
[1:05:16] update on the schedule. I did email this
[1:05:18] out, but just so everyone's aware and
[1:05:20] everyone in the community, um we're
[1:05:22] working fast and furious on budget uh
[1:05:26] this week uh solidly blocked. Pam and I
[1:05:29] are meeting with all department heads
[1:05:31] sitting down going through everything
[1:05:32] and we have um Tyler system that we're
[1:05:36] working through. It is going to be
[1:05:37] great, but we're still working through
[1:05:40] like saying as we're meeting with
[1:05:41] departments going, "Hey, you still have
[1:05:43] this account named this. Is that right?
[1:05:46] and how can we get that a little bit
[1:05:47] better cleaned up or you know how come
[1:05:49] this account this one line item is blank
[1:05:52] and what so there's still proc progress
[1:05:56] that needs to be made but um but it is
[1:05:59] really encouraging and I just again uh a
[1:06:02] shout out to everyone in the financial
[1:06:05] realm within the county that's been
[1:06:07] working really hard to make that happen
[1:06:09] and of course leadership through Pam so
[1:06:10] I want to thank thank everyone for that
[1:06:13] but this is this is a big week Um uh
[1:06:16] then next week October 6th at 1 p.m. we
[1:06:19] have the exec finance uh meeting where
[1:06:22] the budget presentation will be given.
[1:06:24] All the department heads have been asked
[1:06:26] to attend. So that if you have specific
[1:06:27] questions, but if ever anyone wants to
[1:06:29] hear it uh a first time and then a
[1:06:32] second time, the second time will be
[1:06:35] October 7th, the very next day at 5:30
[1:06:38] p.m. Just so you saw that we have an
[1:06:39] extra meeting that is a budget workshop
[1:06:41] meeting everyone to attend and we'll
[1:06:44] give the same presentation. If there are
[1:06:46] anything that [clears throat] came up in
[1:06:47] the exact finance that we have to
[1:06:49] specify, we can um tweak a little bit or
[1:06:52] have more information. But again,
[1:06:53] directors are asked to attend that
[1:06:55] meeting on the 7th at 5:30 p.m. Um,
[1:07:00] we're hoping that everything's going to
[1:07:02] be clear and we'll have it all laid out
[1:07:04] and you'll feel pretty confident in it
[1:07:05] and we'll also give you the budget piece
[1:07:07] so that you can look through things to
[1:07:09] take with you. But if we feel like
[1:07:11] you're still really uncomfortable, this
[1:07:13] is the biggest thing that you do, right?
[1:07:15] You have to know the budget and feel
[1:07:17] comfortable in it. So October 12th is
[1:07:20] that extra meeting if we need to have
[1:07:22] that at 5:30. Uh we're going to set that
[1:07:25] aside uh for that purpose as well. So
[1:07:28] and then I will be finishing up here uh
[1:07:31] November 9th and uh you will be taking
[1:07:34] that budget and flying with it. So um
[1:07:37] just want to thank you all again. If you
[1:07:38] have any questions, you want to reach
[1:07:40] out to me in the process, I'd be happy
[1:07:41] to um go through anything, talk through
[1:07:44] some of that again. But um right now
[1:07:47] it's going to be tight in schedules
[1:07:49] where backtoback meetings and working
[1:07:51] through some of that, but uh certainly
[1:07:53] phone calls, anything you want to go
[1:07:55] through or evening meeting, I'd be happy
[1:07:57] to do that, too. So, thanks so much.
[1:08:00] >> Awesome. Thank you, Becky.
[1:08:02] All right. Next on the agenda,
[1:08:04] appearances action taken by exec finance
[1:08:07] committee regarding reading of
[1:08:08] resolutions. I will read you some
[1:08:11] minutes that we put through here so
[1:08:12] everybody understands. This has been a
[1:08:14] huge discussion in the past, very huge.
[1:08:17] Um um supervisor Scog has brought it up
[1:08:20] again. So we thought it was very um well
[1:08:22] entertained to go ahead and bring it
[1:08:23] forward again. Um so here at September
[1:08:26] 9th exact finance committee meeting uh
[1:08:29] committee meeting an agenda item was
[1:08:31] discussed about uh the reading of a full
[1:08:33] resolution on the county board floor.
[1:08:35] The WCA model template has no
[1:08:37] requirements the resolution to be read
[1:08:39] there unless majority requests it. Once
[1:08:42] agenda is posted on the website prior to
[1:08:44] the meeting all the resolutions are
[1:08:45] attached and are able to be viewed by
[1:08:47] everyone days ahead of ahead of time. Uh
[1:08:50] Kevin Whan moved to uh dispense of the
[1:08:53] reading the full resolution and to read
[1:08:55] the resolution number and abbreviated
[1:08:57] title only. Uh it was seconded by Paul
[1:09:01] and a motion carried by the full
[1:09:03] support. So, um I'm just bringing
[1:09:05] forward that um that to save some time,
[1:09:08] it will be on the um on the screen and
[1:09:12] we will read um like I said in the front
[1:09:14] of when it comes to the uh the
[1:09:16] description of the resolution and then
[1:09:17] if whoever's here for that resolution
[1:09:20] can come up and explain the resolution.
[1:09:21] I think it just be more better of our
[1:09:24] time. I'm guessing Mr. Scout agrees with
[1:09:26] that one.
[1:09:28] [laughter and gasps] So, um, so we'll
[1:09:30] move forward and, um, if that's good for
[1:09:33] you guys, we'll move forward and we'll,
[1:09:34] um, go to number six on resolutions.
[1:09:39] >> Um, a, uh, environmental land use
[1:09:41] committee, if you'd like to read that
[1:09:43] first resolution, Mary,
[1:09:45] >> Mr. Chair, please.
[1:09:46] >> Yes.
[1:09:46] >> Before you go on.
[1:09:47] >> Absolutely.
[1:09:47] >> Um, this I have I have no real issue
[1:09:50] with this, but was this
[1:09:54] >> the reading the actual reading of it?
[1:09:56] Was that a board decision in sometime in
[1:09:59] the past so that it would take board
[1:10:02] action to change it or not?
[1:10:04] >> Um there it's not in the rule. Maybe I
[1:10:06] can point to Susan on this if you don't
[1:10:08] mind Susan. I know we discussed it a lot
[1:10:10] when it comes to that WCA doesn't um
[1:10:12] recommend it. different meetings I've
[1:10:14] been to with the WCA. Just so you're
[1:10:15] aware, they
[1:10:16] >> But what I was getting at, if if it was
[1:10:18] a board action to cause the reading to
[1:10:21] happen, then would it not take board
[1:10:24] action to remove that?
[1:10:26] >> I'm I'm not aware of whether it was a
[1:10:29] board action to read all resolutions.
[1:10:31] >> Okay.
[1:10:31] >> I am aware it's in uh what Chair Tata
[1:10:34] mentioned is in the model rules that
[1:10:36] were circulated and it could be formally
[1:10:39] adopted uh when we do the updates if you
[1:10:41] wish. Okay.
[1:10:45] Is that good?
[1:10:46] >> All right.
[1:10:48] >> All right. Everybody's good with that.
[1:10:50] We can move forward.
[1:10:51] >> All right. Let's do it.
[1:10:53] >> Uh, resolution number 2026-09-01,
[1:10:57] ordinance for the reszone of land in the
[1:11:00] town of Calonia.
[1:11:03] >> All right. Do we have
[1:11:06] Would you like to step on up here, Mark,
[1:11:09] please?
[1:11:13] This one is similar to one we've had,
[1:11:15] you know, pretty recently. This
[1:11:17] individual
[1:11:18] wanted to split his 4 acre parcel. So,
[1:11:21] an acre to do that, he needed to be
[1:11:23] reszone to R20. So, and uh it went
[1:11:27] through it went through the towns and
[1:11:29] they wrote a letter of support. It went
[1:11:31] through our committee and it passed with
[1:11:32] no opposition. So,
[1:11:35] there's any questions, I'll be glad to
[1:11:37] answer them. Any questions from Mark on
[1:11:40] this one?
[1:11:43] >> All right. Is there a motion on the
[1:11:44] floor to
[1:11:45] >> motion to approve?
[1:11:46] >> We got Mr. Larson is one second. Got a
[1:11:50] second by um Mrs. Husby to brother
[1:11:53] Husby. Any discussion?
[1:11:58] >> One thing Mark did not mention in my
[1:12:00] taxing my memory because I didn't get it
[1:12:02] up here. Um, even though this is
[1:12:04] reszoned to an R20, there will never be
[1:12:06] able to be more than two lots on this
[1:12:08] property because of other situations.
[1:12:13] Okay.
[1:12:13] >> So, it's not opening it up to a whole
[1:12:15] bunch of extra building.
[1:12:16] >> Yeah.
[1:12:17] >> Perfect. Thank you. Appreciate that.
[1:12:20] Any other discussion?
[1:12:23] All right. All those in favor, please
[1:12:25] signify by saying yes.
[1:12:28] >> Roll call.
[1:12:29] >> All right. This is a roll call
[1:12:30] resolution. Sorry, guys. [clears throat]
[1:12:32] Man, every once a month you guys. That's
[1:12:33] all I got. [laughter]
[1:12:35] >> Go ahead, M.
[1:12:36] >> Paul Severson.
[1:12:38] >> Yes.
[1:12:39] >> Kevin Whan,
[1:12:40] >> yes.
[1:12:40] >> John Austin,
[1:12:42] >> we
[1:12:44] >> Don TR,
[1:12:45] >> yes.
[1:12:46] >> Robert Becker,
[1:12:47] >> yes.
[1:12:48] >> Renee Lion,
[1:12:49] >> yes.
[1:12:49] >> John Scout,
[1:12:50] >> yes.
[1:12:51] >> David Larson,
[1:12:52] >> yes.
[1:12:52] >> Kristen Husby,
[1:12:53] >> yes.
[1:12:53] >> Ron Johnson,
[1:12:54] >> yes.
[1:12:55] >> Bridget Turner,
[1:12:57] >> yes.
[1:12:58] >> Andy Parish,
[1:12:58] >> yes.
[1:12:59] >> Richard, oh my gosh, sorry. Riker Todd,
[1:13:02] >> yes.
[1:13:03] >> Lorie Severson,
[1:13:04] >> yes.
[1:13:05] >> Andy Todd,
[1:13:06] >> yes.
[1:13:06] >> Richard Anderson,
[1:13:07] >> yes.
[1:13:08] >> Scott Leonard,
[1:13:09] >> yes.
[1:13:10] >> 17 to zero.
[1:13:11] >> 17 to zero. It passes. All right. We're
[1:13:14] going to go to on to number two. If you
[1:13:16] could read that, please
[1:13:19] from the Environment Land Use Committee.
[1:13:21] >> Resolution number 2026-09-02.
[1:13:25] Amendment to the Tumbla County ordinance
[1:13:27] creating Tampa County Ordinance Chapter
[1:13:29] 28 data center moratorum.
[1:13:32] >> Do I have a motion on the floor?
[1:13:34] >> I will move that motion.
[1:13:35] >> All right, we have Mr. Paris is number
[1:13:37] one.
[1:13:38] >> I'll second that motion.
[1:13:39] >> We have a second by Mr. Whan.
[1:13:42] >> Any discussion on this?
[1:13:48] >> Mr. Anderson. Um my question is this is
[1:13:51] 12 months correct set aside and I know
[1:13:54] there's some counties I think Lacrosse
[1:13:56] County not 100% on it but they did an
[1:13:59] 18month is there a reason why we don't
[1:14:01] do 18 months because the only reason I
[1:14:04] say that is because time flies by next
[1:14:06] you know here we are a year from now is
[1:14:09] that a plenty enough time one year
[1:14:12] >> I'm going to go ahead and turn this one
[1:14:13] over to Susan I think
[1:14:15] >> yes thank you
[1:14:15] >> welcome so I I weighed in on that I did
[1:14:19] not recommend 18 months. Uh there is a
[1:14:21] provision that
[1:14:24] regarding the development moratorum or
[1:14:27] moratoria depending on how you want to
[1:14:28] use it. I once it exceeds a period of
[1:14:32] time it actually violates statute. We're
[1:14:34] a little bit in no man's land because
[1:14:37] this is new for all the counties. And so
[1:14:41] to limit risk I I thought a shorter
[1:14:44] duration was appropriate and that's
[1:14:46] consistent with other counties. I'm
[1:14:48] aware that that county did that, but my
[1:14:51] job is to look at our county's risk and
[1:14:53] I would recommend a shorter period
[1:14:55] >> down the road. Could there be another
[1:14:57] resolution to extend it if needed?
[1:15:00] >> We are in kind of the no man's land. I
[1:15:03] know this was a hot topic at the WCA. I
[1:15:05] think the longer you extend it, the more
[1:15:07] likely you are going to have greater
[1:15:10] risk. I know at the the committee
[1:15:13] meeting right before this there was a
[1:15:15] discussion on developing very clear
[1:15:17] schedules of and what when work is going
[1:15:20] to get done to make sure that this
[1:15:22] didn't get delayed. I think that's a
[1:15:24] good idea to make sure that that
[1:15:26] continues to move forward. Um I also uh
[1:15:30] recognize that this particular uh uh
[1:15:34] ordinance is pretty limited too and that
[1:15:37] might be helpful to the county as as a
[1:15:39] whole. Um those are things that will
[1:15:42] have to be reviewed.
[1:15:43] >> Yep. Thank you,
[1:15:44] >> Mr. Chair.
[1:15:45] >> Yes, sir. One other thing attending the
[1:15:48] WCA data center meeting one heavy
[1:15:52] recommendation if we were putting a
[1:15:53] moratorum together was to establish a ad
[1:15:56] hoc committee either as a subcommittee
[1:15:59] of [snorts] the environment and land use
[1:16:01] or become a special committee so that we
[1:16:04] can start using investigating what kind
[1:16:06] of materials we're going to put into our
[1:16:09] ordinances as far as on data centers. So
[1:16:11] that was something that I think that we
[1:16:13] do need to get working on is to put that
[1:16:15] subcommittee together and it doesn't
[1:16:17] have to be a large committee. It has to
[1:16:19] be an effective committee so we can get
[1:16:21] guidelines put on paper of what we need
[1:16:24] to do when there's so much information
[1:16:26] on it right now. I think we could put
[1:16:28] together some pretty effective ordinance
[1:16:30] as far as with the data centers.
[1:16:33] >> Awesome. Thanks Kevin. Go ahead.
[1:16:35] >> Mr. Chair, I just got a question. Have
[1:16:37] we had anybody approach us for a data
[1:16:39] center?
[1:16:44] >> There had been conversation a while
[1:16:46] back, but that was
[1:16:48] >> so
[1:16:49] >> convers
[1:16:49] >> with with some uh somebody that actually
[1:16:52] came up
[1:16:54] >> but to the county board. We had nobody
[1:16:56] come here, but townships have
[1:16:59] >> it's getting more difficult. Data center
[1:17:01] folks are getting a lot more tricky.
[1:17:02] They're putting things in shipping cargo
[1:17:04] containers and so on, which is why um at
[1:17:08] the committee, John had thrown in a
[1:17:10] megawatt or I had said something and
[1:17:11] John had thrown in a megawatt limit on
[1:17:13] there. It's hard because people are
[1:17:16] putting these up in their backyards. I
[1:17:17] mean, they're all over the place right
[1:17:19] now, which is why we need the moratorum
[1:17:21] so that we can put these processes in
[1:17:23] place. I I'm not, you know, poor against
[1:17:25] I just wanted to know if
[1:17:27] >> what I agree with Kevin that we should
[1:17:30] try and they did say that at the at the
[1:17:34] if we should get a little ahead of the
[1:17:36] game here so that when it if it it win
[1:17:38] and if it ever does happen at least we
[1:17:41] have the things in place to say hey this
[1:17:44] is what we expect. But I think that's a
[1:17:47] good idea but I was just curious. I'
[1:17:49] I've never heard anybody. I've got a
[1:17:51] Would you be willing uh Chairman Larson
[1:17:53] to accept an amendment that just simply
[1:17:55] says at the bottom that Chairman Larson
[1:17:58] will organize a subcommittee to do this?
[1:18:03] >> So,
[1:18:03] >> or do we do it separately?
[1:18:05] >> Unfortunately, we can't do that any
[1:18:07] anymore.
[1:18:08] um that committee has already voted on
[1:18:11] >> on on the resolution and amendment, but
[1:18:14] next week I think I might be getting my
[1:18:16] days a little bit uh mixed up, but I
[1:18:18] want to say it's next Wednesday that is
[1:18:20] on the agenda or should be on the
[1:18:22] agenda.
[1:18:26] >> Don,
[1:18:26] >> Mr. Chair,
[1:18:28] >> I uh hold on Bridget, [laughter]
[1:18:32] >> go ahead. I I was just I was just going
[1:18:35] to ask clarity around who was doing the
[1:18:37] subcommittee. So that's helpful.
[1:18:39] >> It'll come through the
[1:18:41] >> Okay, perfect. And then I would just um
[1:18:43] I think it's important for the community
[1:18:46] to know that this moratorum only limits
[1:18:49] certain size
[1:18:51] um data centers. I don't pretend to
[1:18:54] understand what 30 megawws means. I
[1:18:56] think it was 30 megawatts. what that
[1:18:58] means for or 3,000 square ft or whatever
[1:19:01] that is. But um I I I just envision
[1:19:05] people seeing data centers coming up and
[1:19:07] they're being confused or concerned
[1:19:08] because there's this moratorium in
[1:19:10] place. But if it's under those size
[1:19:12] limits, then that's not an inappropriate
[1:19:16] use.
[1:19:17] >> It's 10 megawatts. 10 it was like
[1:19:20] >> I think they they said it was what 10?
[1:19:23] >> Yeah,
[1:19:23] >> 10 megawws. after if it's bigger than
[1:19:25] that, the county has no say.
[1:19:28] >> It's PSSC then.
[1:19:29] >> PSC takes over. So that that's a little
[1:19:32] scary.
[1:19:33] >> Yeah, that's what they said at the
[1:19:34] thing. It's 10. It's 10 something. I
[1:19:37] might not have the megawatt thing
[1:19:39] correct, but it was 10 and then it goes
[1:19:41] to PSC. Anything under that then the
[1:19:43] county and townships do have control.
[1:19:45] >> Well, the res the ordinance specifies
[1:19:47] 30,000 3,000 square feet or 30
[1:19:51] megawatts. I'm pretty sure
[1:19:53] >> that's what they I mean I mean we just
[1:19:55] went to the same seminar
[1:19:59] [clears throat]
[1:19:59] >> that that was ba those restrictions were
[1:20:02] based upon the model
[1:20:05] um moratorum language that was from St.
[1:20:10] Croy County, I think it was. And so they
[1:20:12] had listed small, medium, large, and had
[1:20:17] created criteria. We just kind of said,
[1:20:21] well, we know that Riverland Electric is
[1:20:24] put in these drop in
[1:20:28] >> boxes for Bitcoin type stuff. So, we
[1:20:31] wanted to allow that because that's
[1:20:33] something that they as a cooperative
[1:20:35] feel is important for their business.
[1:20:38] But we wanted to then for anything
[1:20:40] larger than that kind of thing. Um
[1:20:43] that's where the moratorium applies. So
[1:20:45] that's where the that language came
[1:20:47] from.
[1:20:50] >> Okay. I believe Bridget was next.
[1:20:54] >> Yeah.
[1:20:56] >> You there?
[1:20:56] >> My question was my question was
[1:20:58] answered, but thank you.
[1:20:59] >> Oh, you're welcome. Supervisor Todd, you
[1:21:02] >> I was just John actually piggybacked on.
[1:21:04] I was just going to say half the reason
[1:21:05] we did it was for the um our electric
[1:21:08] company. Thank you. I'm trying to think
[1:21:09] of the name. But they already have some
[1:21:10] type of deal in place, so we didn't want
[1:21:12] to mess with anything they got going on.
[1:21:13] >> Okay.
[1:21:14] >> Got it.
[1:21:14] >> John got it.
[1:21:15] >> All right.
[1:21:17] Any other discussion?
[1:21:20] >> Let's [clears throat] take roll call.
[1:21:24] >> John Austin.
[1:21:26] >> Yes.
[1:21:27] >> Don Trou,
[1:21:28] >> yes.
[1:21:28] >> Robert Becker,
[1:21:29] >> yes.
[1:21:30] >> Renee Lion,
[1:21:30] >> yes.
[1:21:31] >> John Scog,
[1:21:32] >> yes. David Larson,
[1:21:33] >> yes.
[1:21:34] >> Chris Nusby,
[1:21:35] >> yes.
[1:21:35] >> Ron Johnson,
[1:21:36] >> yes.
[1:21:37] >> Turner,
[1:21:39] >> yes.
[1:21:40] >> Andy Parish,
[1:21:42] >> can you come back to me?
[1:21:44] >> No. All right, then I'm going to vote
[1:21:46] yes. I was just trying to
[1:21:47] >> Okay. Recorder Todd,
[1:21:49] >> yes.
[1:21:50] >> Lorie Severson,
[1:21:51] >> yes.
[1:21:51] >> Andy Todd,
[1:21:52] >> yes.
[1:21:53] >> Richard Anderson,
[1:21:54] >> yes.
[1:21:54] >> Scott Leonard,
[1:21:55] >> yes.
[1:21:55] >> Paul Severson,
[1:21:56] >> yes.
[1:21:57] >> Kevin Whan,
[1:21:58] >> yes.
[1:21:59] >> 170. All right. Passes 170.
[1:22:02] Okay. Resolution uh 6B, Health and Human
[1:22:05] Services Board.
[1:22:09] >> Resolution number 20269-03.
[1:22:13] Authorize additional 1.0 full-time
[1:22:15] employee economic support specialist
[1:22:17] position.
[1:22:20] >> Jay, could I please ask you to step on
[1:22:21] up?
[1:22:23] >> Thank you, Jay.
[1:22:25] >> I forgot that the fuller reading wasn't
[1:22:26] going to happen again. Sorry.
[1:22:30] So, I know a lot of folks here have uh
[1:22:32] heard about this already. It's been
[1:22:34] through Health and Human Services Board.
[1:22:35] It's been through personal bargaining.
[1:22:37] It's also been through Exact Finance. Um
[1:22:39] and so, but I do want to provide some
[1:22:41] information for those of you who have
[1:22:42] not heard this or heard about this. So,
[1:22:45] um this and I want to boil it down a
[1:22:46] little bit. I know you've had time to
[1:22:48] read the resolution and you can
[1:22:49] certainly ask questions. Um this is this
[1:22:51] is the state's effort to avoid federal
[1:22:54] penalties, federal um food share um
[1:22:58] error food share error rate penalties by
[1:23:01] adding staff to all [clears throat] of
[1:23:02] the consorcia across the state um and to
[1:23:06] for quality purposes. So um and I'm just
[1:23:10] I'm requesting to add one of the six
[1:23:12] position that our consortium is adding
[1:23:15] um to to review quality and uh to keep
[1:23:17] our error rate very low which currently
[1:23:19] it's at zero. So we're one of the top
[1:23:22] two um consorcia in the state. So that's
[1:23:24] a very good thing but there are others
[1:23:26] who are not that high and and we need to
[1:23:28] keep ours low. So,
[1:23:30] >> [clears throat]
[1:23:30] >> um the levy funding, um there are going
[1:23:33] to be levy funding increases for all
[1:23:34] eight counties just because there are
[1:23:36] additional positions being added and
[1:23:38] obviously there's there's indirect cost
[1:23:40] and [cough] and other [clears throat] um
[1:23:42] support costs as well. So, um counties
[1:23:45] who add these positions are they receive
[1:23:48] it's the most complex funding model I've
[1:23:51] I've seen. Um and and uh but the complex
[1:23:54] the funding model for this favors the
[1:23:56] counties who add these positions. they
[1:23:58] pay less if this makes sense uh in levy
[1:24:02] [clears throat] than those who do not
[1:24:03] add the positions. Um and if we and we
[1:24:06] can certainly say no to this position
[1:24:08] but if we don't if we don't accept this
[1:24:11] position then um we could conceivably
[1:24:14] pay more because another county is
[1:24:16] taking on that workload I guess is the
[1:24:17] best way I could say it. Um and this way
[1:24:19] we would be able to kind of control
[1:24:21] that. um within here is also if that
[1:24:23] funding ever goes away then we would
[1:24:26] reduce you know positions in that in
[1:24:28] that unit as well. So um and then uh
[1:24:31] just just for your information right now
[1:24:34] or as of [clears throat] fiscal year
[1:24:35] 2025 Wisconsin's at a 5.72 error rate.
[1:24:39] So it matters because this is millions
[1:24:41] and millions of dollars that we could
[1:24:43] that the state could um either decide to
[1:24:47] pay in federal penalties or pass it
[1:24:48] along to the counties and then we would
[1:24:50] have to pay. Um so
[1:24:53] trying to avoid that. So um questions
[1:24:55] for f from folks and
[1:24:59] >> yep going to need a a motion first. So
[1:25:01] is there a motion on the floor?
[1:25:02] >> Mr. Chair, I would move to approve
[1:25:05] authorization of one full-time economic
[1:25:07] support specialist position.
[1:25:10] >> Second.
[1:25:10] >> We have a second by Mr. We
[1:25:13] >> uh discussion, any questions,
[1:25:15] >> Mr. Chair?
[1:25:15] >> Yes, sir.
[1:25:17] >> I understand
[1:25:19] the logic, but the business in sense in
[1:25:23] me objects to hiring a person when our
[1:25:28] error rate is 0%. Why doesn't our region
[1:25:32] give this back to the counties that need
[1:25:34] it and use the t state taxpayer money in
[1:25:38] a responsible way? We got 0%. Do you
[1:25:41] expect it's going to go higher?
[1:25:44] >> Not very if if at all because we're
[1:25:46] typically very very low,
[1:25:48] >> right?
[1:25:49] >> Yeah. But
[1:25:50] >> I I don't That's a good question. I
[1:25:51] don't know if we can give it back or if
[1:25:52] the state said here you're we're going
[1:25:54] to give you all this funding. Um, that's
[1:25:57] a question that I guess I didn't think
[1:25:58] to ask of our consortium and they and
[1:26:01] our consortium [clears throat] lead is
[1:26:02] lacrosse. Um, and when they were laying
[1:26:05] this out, um, there was no conversation
[1:26:08] about about that. But that's a very
[1:26:11] valid question because there are some
[1:26:13] the consorcia that are on the higher end
[1:26:16] are Madison, Milwaukee. I mean, there
[1:26:19] obviously the bigger metropolitan areas
[1:26:21] struggle with this more. Um, so it's a
[1:26:24] valid question. And I guess I never even
[1:26:25] thought to ask that because our
[1:26:26] consortium lead was talking about it.
[1:26:29] And um
[1:26:31] yeah,
[1:26:32] >> but Jay, to clarify though, this person
[1:26:34] isn't just going to sit there. I mean,
[1:26:36] they're not going to not have work just
[1:26:38] because we're at a 0% air rate.
[1:26:40] >> No. So what they're going to we're
[1:26:41] adding these quality positions, it's
[1:26:42] these six quality positions across the
[1:26:44] consortium in order to it's part of it
[1:26:47] is the it's not just the quality review
[1:26:50] and then you know making sure that it's
[1:26:52] also helping train staff on some
[1:26:53] patterns you know that you see. So it's
[1:26:55] additional training time as well but to
[1:26:57] your point I mean I I I don't disagree
[1:27:00] with you. I just don't I don't know if
[1:27:02] that's a possibility or not because DHS
[1:27:04] I think portioned out um that funding
[1:27:07] for each consortium. Maybe we can train
[1:27:09] him to be a Tyler expert.
[1:27:11] >> Well, wouldn't that be nice,
[1:27:13] >> Jay? Also, wasn't it also uh in support
[1:27:16] of other counties here that we would
[1:27:19] help that person would help out with
[1:27:21] other counties if they were having ours
[1:27:24] staffing is is not while we have county
[1:27:28] specific staff, those staff could be
[1:27:31] working on a team that's, you know,
[1:27:33] supervised from another county in the in
[1:27:35] the 8ounty consortium. So yeah, it's
[1:27:37] it's really about the eight counties.
[1:27:39] Here's the workload. Here's the number
[1:27:41] of people we need to do it. Now, let's
[1:27:43] figure out the where they're going to be
[1:27:45] and who's going to have them and make
[1:27:47] sure that the funding flows to where the
[1:27:50] staff are as well. So,
[1:27:51] >> what what is the error rate of our
[1:27:53] neighboring of the other counties in our
[1:27:55] region? Do you know?
[1:27:57] >> Um, well, our whole consortium is at
[1:28:00] zero right now. So, that's our 8ounty
[1:28:02] consortium. The one to the north of us
[1:28:05] is uh a larger a little bit larger and I
[1:28:08] don't even know all the counties in
[1:28:09] there, but it's I think it's Oaklair,
[1:28:11] Dun, Chipua, you know, a lot of those
[1:28:13] folks. Um there's is a little bit I
[1:28:15] think there's is a little bit over six,
[1:28:16] maybe six or seven. Um and so there are
[1:28:20] a couple others in addition to that one
[1:28:22] that are higher as well. Um so it's but
[1:28:25] they unfortunately they don't look at it
[1:28:28] as a region. Um they look at it as a
[1:28:30] state number. So it's the average across
[1:28:33] the whole state. Um so and and I will
[1:28:36] say too that we've been using some of
[1:28:39] the tools and processes that um the
[1:28:42] state had recommended a while back and
[1:28:44] now the state I think is forcing people
[1:28:46] or for forcing different consorcia to
[1:28:48] use those same tools and processes
[1:28:51] because they've seen that it works and
[1:28:52] it's successful. So,
[1:28:55] >> I think the other piece is is this is
[1:28:57] the federal government telling us
[1:29:00] >> what needs to happen.
[1:29:02] >> Right. Yeah.
[1:29:03] >> Right. It's not state law.
[1:29:04] >> It's not state. It's not us.
[1:29:06] >> Right.
[1:29:06] >> They're requiring us to do this
[1:29:10] >> or be penalized.
[1:29:10] >> Or be penalized. Exactly. I think I
[1:29:13] think maybe what's really important to
[1:29:14] call out is just that
[1:29:17] >> one way or another, our consortium is
[1:29:19] given this these FTEs to fill where
[1:29:21] they're expected to be filled. If we
[1:29:23] don't fill it within our county, another
[1:29:25] county will fill it
[1:29:26] >> and then we don't have as much control
[1:29:29] over [cough] that [clears throat]
[1:29:30] position, what gets worked or what
[1:29:32] expense it is to us.
[1:29:34] >> And I think one county there there is
[1:29:35] one county who said, "Hey, we're going
[1:29:37] to we'll see if this we can um hire this
[1:29:40] additional position. It was a no-go for
[1:29:42] that county." And Solacross has taken on
[1:29:44] a second position as well. So basically
[1:29:47] the lead county takes on more and more
[1:29:49] of them. Um, you know, to your point and
[1:29:52] >> my objection is just to the state and
[1:29:55] how they're administering this. Why are
[1:29:57] they giving six FTEEs to our region and
[1:30:01] any other region for that matter that
[1:30:03] has no problem in the air reporting?
[1:30:06] >> It it doesn't make any sense. You know,
[1:30:08] in a business, you never hire people
[1:30:11] without a real need. And this feels to
[1:30:15] me like we're hiring somebody just
[1:30:16] because we have the money to hire
[1:30:18] somebody.
[1:30:20] can't necessarily argue your point, but
[1:30:22] I but it is a federal issue. I think
[1:30:25] both Don and John have hit their three
[1:30:27] limit.
[1:30:28] >> Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:30:28] >> It's okay. It's okay. Go ahead.
[1:30:30] >> So, I just if we get this person
[1:30:33] >> Yep.
[1:30:34] >> are they helping the other counties that
[1:30:37] actually need it and for some reason
[1:30:38] we're just getting that person or
[1:30:41] >> Right. So all of our So that would um at
[1:30:44] that point that person would go on and
[1:30:47] [clears throat] let me let me back up a
[1:30:48] little bit too because this might help.
[1:30:50] Um these these six positions across the
[1:30:53] consortium are going to be brand new
[1:30:54] staff. They're not seasoned. They're
[1:30:56] coming in. We got to train them and that
[1:30:58] kind of thing. They're going to go and
[1:30:59] they're going to backfill some seasoned
[1:31:01] staff and those seasoned people are
[1:31:02] going to become those quality reviewers
[1:31:04] because they know the processes and
[1:31:06] things like that. So, but yes, they
[1:31:08] could be doing workloads because it's
[1:31:10] it's determined by um kind of subject
[1:31:13] matter expert areas. So, whether it's
[1:31:16] food share, whether it's child care
[1:31:17] certification, you know, the different
[1:31:20] [clears throat] again, you look at the
[1:31:21] eight counties and it's a pool of work.
[1:31:24] This part's child care certification,
[1:31:25] this part's food share. These five team
[1:31:28] members could be in five different
[1:31:29] counties um working on a supervisor
[1:31:32] who's in a six different county. But I
[1:31:33] mean, they've got good processes for how
[1:31:35] they work together and how they
[1:31:37] determine who's going to be in which
[1:31:39] subject area, too. So, yeah, it's it's a
[1:31:41] different way of you kind of have to
[1:31:44] >> So, in a weird weird round of way, we
[1:31:46] are helping everybody, but we're just
[1:31:48] getting funding in an area that we
[1:31:50] >> technically don't need it to help other
[1:31:52] people. Okay. Yep. True. Sounds about
[1:31:55] right.
[1:32:00] >> Chair.
[1:32:01] >> Yes. And I and I guess I would reiterate
[1:32:04] the fact that the federal government is
[1:32:07] saying that
[1:32:09] we need to do this. I mean, we we need
[1:32:12] to take this on. I agree with John that
[1:32:14] the methodology makes no sense to me.
[1:32:18] But
[1:32:19] are we willing to take the risk of
[1:32:22] paying a penalty?
[1:32:24] >> And I will say kind of to your point,
[1:32:25] >> what is the penalty? It's the interp
[1:32:27] it's the state's way of or their
[1:32:30] interpretation of hey here's how we
[1:32:32] think we can help the counties and us as
[1:32:35] a state to avoid you know that penalty
[1:32:37] the federal penalty which is which is
[1:32:39] pretty stiff. So
[1:32:40] >> what is the penalty?
[1:32:42] >> Oh boy I don't have the dollar figure
[1:32:45] off the top of my head
[1:32:46] >> because if it's like 10 grand I agree
[1:32:47] with John why are we doing
[1:32:48] >> this as a state it's it's million it's
[1:32:51] tens of millions.
[1:32:53] >> Mr. Chair, may I speak?
[1:32:55] >> Absolutely. You may.
[1:32:56] >> It it appears as though that um
[1:32:59] the federal government wants to ensure
[1:33:01] that our consortium [clears throat]
[1:33:03] which is at zero remains at zero and
[1:33:05] this keeps the state average down. If
[1:33:08] you have problems in other areas, we
[1:33:10] will help because we're going to
[1:33:11] maintain zero. To do that, we need extra
[1:33:15] staff.
[1:33:15] >> Yeah.
[1:33:19] >> All very good points. I I can't argue
[1:33:21] the logic. [laughter]
[1:33:29] Mr. Chair,
[1:33:31] >> I'm curious. I don't see any of the
[1:33:34] numbers here that are mentioned. Um the
[1:33:39] where is it? The first
[1:33:42] >> Mr. chair
[1:33:43] >> the the the last whereas
[1:33:46] uh may be required to contribute more
[1:33:48] county tax levy than listed below in
[1:33:50] order to pay the necessary I don't see
[1:33:51] any numbers that go along with that.
[1:33:54] Paul, you might be able to answer this.
[1:33:56] >> Right. At at our committee meeting, I
[1:33:57] mentioned this to Jay that in the
[1:34:00] therefore be it resolved, he should have
[1:34:02] the numbers and the account numbers
[1:34:05] where that money is going to go, both
[1:34:06] revenues and expenditures. And I think
[1:34:08] you got it written down someplace there.
[1:34:10] It's just didn't get into this
[1:34:12] resolution.
[1:34:13] >> Well, right. And this the the um
[1:34:16] >> and the reason we did it that way
[1:34:18] because two other committees had
[1:34:19] alreadyed this resolution. We didn't
[1:34:21] want to go back make it go back to all
[1:34:23] those committees. So, there was supposed
[1:34:25] to be an amendment made on the floor
[1:34:27] here, and I don't remember. I was the
[1:34:29] one that said I should do it, and I
[1:34:31] don't remember what it was, but down in
[1:34:33] the bottom under underneath where the
[1:34:36] signatures are,
[1:34:38] the numbers are there
[1:34:40] >> in the fiscal impact section.
[1:34:42] >> In the fiscal impact, yes.
[1:34:46] [laughter]
[1:34:47] >> J, do you have the numbers that count
[1:34:49] that it goes to?
[1:34:52] I think you said you were getting those.
[1:34:54] >> Well, here's the thing. So, the the
[1:34:56] actual the 3,00 So, let me go over the
[1:34:59] the few numbers that I have here. So,
[1:35:01] [cough] the $3,827 [clears throat]
[1:35:04] of this on an annual this is annual.
[1:35:06] This is an annual amount is is the AMSO
[1:35:10] or indirect cost. It's not it doesn't it
[1:35:12] doesn't even go to this position's
[1:35:13] wages. This position's wages are covered
[1:35:15] by the consortium. So, this is basically
[1:35:18] indirect support costs um for that
[1:35:21] $3,827.
[1:35:22] That's for a full year. That's not even
[1:35:24] if if we say yes today and we hire the
[1:35:27] person November 1st, that's only two
[1:35:31] months of that. So, it's prrated to to
[1:35:33] whatever that would be. And then the
[1:35:35] other [clears throat] piece of this is
[1:35:37] $168 for an annual Zoom phone. So, it's
[1:35:40] $14 a month. and then a one-time expense
[1:35:43] on the front end for computer equipment
[1:35:45] and licenses that Tim would have to um
[1:35:48] obtain for this this person. And 1,500
[1:35:51] of that is computer equipment. Half of
[1:35:53] that gets reimbursed again by the
[1:35:55] consortium, which I for had forgotten to
[1:35:57] put in the original um resolution as
[1:36:00] well. So, it's actually $750 less than
[1:36:03] what I had originally said on there. And
[1:36:06] we may be overstating the indirect or
[1:36:09] the the indirect costs here as well, but
[1:36:11] [clears throat] I didn't want to come in
[1:36:13] under and then later go, "Oh, shoot."
[1:36:15] You know, that's So, so this could be
[1:36:18] less than what it's what it's looking
[1:36:19] like right now. But does does that
[1:36:21] answer your question, David?
[1:36:23] >> Okay.
[1:36:24] >> I just
[1:36:25] >> Yeah, sorry. That's yeah, we talked
[1:36:27] about that a little bit and it was
[1:36:29] difficult to know what line item to put
[1:36:30] it in when we're talking about indirect
[1:36:32] and support costs as a separate line.
[1:36:44] >> Robert Becker,
[1:36:45] >> yes.
[1:36:46] >> Renee Lion,
[1:36:47] >> yes.
[1:36:47] >> John Scow,
[1:36:48] >> no.
[1:36:49] >> David Larson,
[1:36:50] >> yes.
[1:36:51] >> Kristen Husby,
[1:36:52] >> yes.
[1:36:52] >> Ron Johnson,
[1:36:53] >> yes. Bridget Turner,
[1:36:56] >> yes.
[1:36:56] >> Andy Parish,
[1:36:57] >> no.
[1:36:58] >> Riker Todd,
[1:37:01] >> no.
[1:37:02] >> Lorie Severson,
[1:37:04] >> yes.
[1:37:05] >> Andy Todd,
[1:37:06] >> yes.
[1:37:07] >> Richard Anderson,
[1:37:09] >> yes.
[1:37:11] >> Scott Leonard,
[1:37:11] >> yes.
[1:37:12] >> Paul Severson,
[1:37:13] >> yes.
[1:37:14] >> Kevin Whan,
[1:37:15] >> yes.
[1:37:16] >> John Austin,
[1:37:17] >> yes.
[1:37:18] >> Don Trou,
[1:37:19] >> yes.
[1:37:20] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
[1:37:26] 14 to three.
[1:37:27] >> 14 to three. That passes.
[1:37:30] All right.
[1:37:32] Six. Resolutions C. Parks, tourism,
[1:37:35] economic development committee.
[1:37:38] Resolution number 2026-09-04
[1:37:43] applying for the startup urban forestry
[1:37:45] grant, excuse [clears throat] me, with
[1:37:47] the Wisconsin Department of Natural
[1:37:49] Resources.
[1:37:51] >> Do I have a motion on the floor?
[1:37:54] [clears throat]
[1:37:54] >> So move to approve.
[1:37:56] >> I'll second.
[1:37:56] >> All right, we have Scout as one and we
[1:37:58] have Husby as two. Um any discussion?
[1:38:01] We'll go ahead and move to Jeremy. Go
[1:38:03] ahead, Jeremy.
[1:38:04] >> So just quick synopsis of this here.
[1:38:05] It's um the urban forestry grant for the
[1:38:07] DNR. This is year three of a three-year
[1:38:10] um grant. The first two years we used
[1:38:13] the money that came with that to plant
[1:38:14] trees out of featured park. One part was
[1:38:16] for a dividing line between the park and
[1:38:18] highway 93. The rest of is for the lower
[1:38:20] loop area to add some trees down there.
[1:38:23] The third year of this grant requires us
[1:38:25] to do a survey of the trees that are out
[1:38:27] at the park. So that's what this one
[1:38:29] will cover. It's a $5,000 project. It's
[1:38:32] a $2,500 grant. The other $2,500 comes
[1:38:35] out of my operational expenses for the
[1:38:36] park already. So, I'm not asking for any
[1:38:38] money any more money than I'm already
[1:38:40] budgeting for for the project anyway.
[1:38:42] Um, when this is all said and done, then
[1:38:44] this um qualifies us to uh apply for
[1:38:48] more grants for urban forestry in the
[1:38:51] future, which would then let me work
[1:38:52] with um highway department or any other
[1:38:55] the um county properties to put trees on
[1:38:58] our ways or anything else like that. So,
[1:39:02] >> brief synopsis
[1:39:04] pretty much covers that. Any questions
[1:39:05] or concerns?
[1:39:10] Go ahead, Mr.
[1:39:10] >> How are the trees coming that you
[1:39:11] planted this pasture?
[1:39:12] >> Still alive. Really?
[1:39:14] >> Yeah. We just had um independent school
[1:39:16] out there doing a [clears throat]
[1:39:18] community service day out there. So, we
[1:39:20] just took down the rest of the snow
[1:39:21] fencing because we're not going to be
[1:39:22] mowing out in those areas, but we
[1:39:24] haven't had any trees die on
[1:39:25] >> no deer damage as of yet.
[1:39:27] >> No, we've had them all pretty much
[1:39:28] sealed off for mowers or deers or
[1:39:30] anything else. So, there's there's been
[1:39:32] no uh no major concerns right now. So,
[1:39:34] >> good job on that. Most people can say
[1:39:36] that.
[1:39:37] >> Thanks, Jeremy. Any other questions for
[1:39:39] him?
[1:39:40] >> All right, let's go and move the roll
[1:39:42] call, please.
[1:39:45] >> John Scog,
[1:39:47] >> yes. [clears throat]
[1:39:49] >> David Larson,
[1:39:50] >> yes.
[1:39:50] >> Kristen Hughes,
[1:39:51] >> yes.
[1:39:52] >> Ron Johnson,
[1:39:52] >> yes.
[1:39:53] >> Bridget Turner,
[1:39:55] >> yes.
[1:39:56] >> Andy Parish,
[1:39:57] >> yes.
[1:39:57] >> Riker Todd,
[1:39:58] >> yes.
[1:39:59] >> Severson,
[1:40:00] >> yes.
[1:40:01] >> Andy Todd,
[1:40:01] >> yes.
[1:40:02] >> Richard Anderson,
[1:40:03] >> yes. Scott Leonard,
[1:40:04] >> yes.
[1:40:05] >> Paul Severson,
[1:40:06] >> yes.
[1:40:06] >> Kevin Whan,
[1:40:07] >> yes.
[1:40:08] >> John Austin,
[1:40:09] >> yes.
[1:40:09] >> Don Trou,
[1:40:10] >> yes.
[1:40:11] >> Robert Becker,
[1:40:12] >> yes.
[1:40:12] >> Renee Lion,
[1:40:13] >> yes.
[1:40:14] >> 17 to Z.
[1:40:15] >> 17-0. That passes.
[1:40:18] All right. We're going to go ahead and
[1:40:19] move uh six resolutions. D Highway
[1:40:21] Committee, if you could read that,
[1:40:23] please.
[1:40:24] >> Resolution number 2026-09-05,
[1:40:28] county aid [clears throat] construction,
[1:40:30] pursuant to Wisconsin statute 82.08. 08.
[1:40:35] >> Do I have a motion to approve?
[1:40:37] >> Motion to approve.
[1:40:38] >> We have Mr. Anderson is one.
[1:40:40] >> Second.
[1:40:42] >> Second.
[1:40:43] >> As Mr. Steven.
[1:40:45] >> All right. Any discussion? Is anybody
[1:40:47] here that could fill us in on this uh
[1:40:50] resolution?
[1:40:51] >> Neil's on his way to a
[1:40:54] highway committee. I
[1:40:56] >> Is this like the road the town road
[1:40:58] thing that we did but just for bridges
[1:41:00] now or is this
[1:41:02] I like who owns these bridges that we're
[1:41:05] fixing.
[1:41:08] >> The township. Yeah.
[1:41:11] I
[1:41:11] >> was going to say townships and then it
[1:41:12] caused me to think a second, but yes,
[1:41:14] it's townships in this
[1:41:19] >> meals share projects.
[1:41:21] >> Yeah.
[1:41:22] >> It's like
[1:41:24] you go. Yeah. Go ahead. Hit. Yep.
[1:41:25] >> D I mean Dave would be like it's just
[1:41:27] like the Kaid road. It's Yep. It helps
[1:41:29] the townships replace the bridges and
[1:41:31] they don't have to eat up all the cost.
[1:41:33] The whole county helps them maintain
[1:41:35] their bridges and stuff. So it's like
[1:41:38] co-aid roads too. It's just to help
[1:41:41] you're working the countyy's working
[1:41:42] with the townships to keep the roads and
[1:41:44] the bridges safe for the everybody
[1:41:46] driving over them.
[1:41:47] >> Mr. Chair,
[1:41:48] >> the whole county pays chips in and they
[1:41:51] share.
[1:41:53] >> Thank you. Just as a clarification,
[1:41:57] roads, we put the money ahead
[1:41:59] [clears throat] of the project. Bridges,
[1:42:02] the townships have already paid the
[1:42:04] bills. Now they're asking for half
[1:42:06] reimbursements.
[1:42:07] >> Yeah.
[1:42:08] >> Yeah.
[1:42:12] >> Go ahead, John.
[1:42:13] >> Like what was mentioned earlier, it's
[1:42:15] like the libraries, it doesn't go on the
[1:42:17] It doesn't go on our regular budget.
[1:42:20] >> It's levy. It
[1:42:22] >> doesn't affect the levy limits.
[1:42:26] Okay.
[1:42:28] >> Directly. Anyway, [laughter]
[1:42:30] >> any other discussion?
[1:42:33] >> All right, let's go ahead and go to roll
[1:42:34] call, please. Mary.
[1:42:36] >> Kristen Hughesby,
[1:42:37] >> yes.
[1:42:38] >> Ron Johnson,
[1:42:39] >> yes.
[1:42:40] >> Bridget Turner,
[1:42:41] >> yes.
[1:42:42] >> Andy Parish,
[1:42:43] >> no.
[1:42:44] >> Riker Todd,
[1:42:45] >> yes.
[1:42:46] >> Lorie Severson,
[1:42:47] >> yes.
[1:42:47] >> Andy Todd,
[1:42:48] >> yes.
[1:42:49] >> Richard Anderson,
[1:42:50] >> yes.
[1:42:50] >> Scott Leonard,
[1:42:51] >> yes. Paul Severson,
[1:42:53] >> yes.
[1:42:54] >> Kevin Whan,
[1:42:55] >> yes.
[1:42:56] >> John Austin,
[1:42:57] >> yes.
[1:42:58] >> Don Troub,
[1:42:58] >> yes.
[1:42:59] >> Robert Becker,
[1:43:00] >> yes.
[1:43:00] >> Renee Lion,
[1:43:01] >> yes.
[1:43:02] >> John Scout,
[1:43:03] >> yes.
[1:43:03] >> David Larson,
[1:43:04] >> yes.
[1:43:05] >> 16 to1 passes.
[1:43:06] >> All right, passes 16 to1. All right,
[1:43:09] we're going to go ahead and move to six.
[1:43:11] Resolution E, Exec and Finance
[1:43:14] Committee. Resolution number 2026-09-06
[1:43:20] Trumpa County designation as a hybrid
[1:43:23] entity.
[1:43:24] >> I believe I probably need to ask our
[1:43:26] corp council for this one.
[1:43:27] >> And if I may, um, can I refer back to
[1:43:30] the moratorum for just one second?
[1:43:32] >> Absolutely, you can.
[1:43:33] >> I just want to let all the supervisors
[1:43:34] know that I sent out an email just a
[1:43:36] moment ago uh sharing the template from
[1:43:39] the WCA. That template also discusses
[1:43:42] the large scale and the hypers scale
[1:43:44] regulations that are available. Um and
[1:43:46] then if I may
[1:43:47] >> absolutely please do.
[1:43:48] >> Thank you all.
[1:43:50] Regarding this particular one, this is
[1:43:52] largely just a cleanup matter. I the for
[1:43:56] those who might not be familiar, the
[1:43:58] county does provide covered services.
[1:44:00] There are various departments that are
[1:44:01] named in here that provides covered
[1:44:03] services by HIPPA. And I should say that
[1:44:04] that's what I'm talking about. And so,
[1:44:07] you know, you have your healthc care
[1:44:09] center um I that provides covered
[1:44:12] services. You have your health and human
[1:44:13] services. Uh we have a couple that are
[1:44:16] very limited that also provide and
[1:44:18] receive some information. This is just
[1:44:20] to designate who has it, who who helps
[1:44:23] those that um receive such information
[1:44:27] and provide those services. So, my
[1:44:29] office would be one and then those that
[1:44:31] do not. And the way we want to do, the
[1:44:34] reason why we want to do it is it I
[1:44:36] provided an email a couple months ago
[1:44:38] and it was stated in there and it's just
[1:44:39] this clear. It's because we need to
[1:44:41] update all of our policies and
[1:44:43] procedures and we need to make that
[1:44:44] basic designation very clear. Uh we also
[1:44:48] need to limit our risk because if we
[1:44:50] have more falling under it uh in theory
[1:44:53] then you have more that are applicable
[1:44:55] to that law, right? And it's stated
[1:44:58] within uh HIPPA as well. Um, we also
[1:45:01] have an outdated
[1:45:03] designation that does not reflect where
[1:45:06] we're at. Things have changed multiple
[1:45:08] times over since 2015. In 2016, started
[1:45:11] in 2015. 2016 there was an update. There
[1:45:14] is no financial claw cost to this. Um,
[1:45:17] this is not going to be part of the
[1:45:19] ordinance. What's going to happen next
[1:45:20] if you approve it is the HIPPA group is
[1:45:23] going to really start digging into the
[1:45:25] policies and procedures then because we
[1:45:26] know who's covered, who's not, and that
[1:45:28] and that's about it. Um if you have any
[1:45:31] questions, please let me know. I I tried
[1:45:33] to provide some information. This has
[1:45:35] been a long process um
[1:45:39] uh through the HIPPA group as well as
[1:45:41] through uh what the department has
[1:45:43] trying to make sure we're we have
[1:45:45] covered everybody and tried to have
[1:45:47] thought through the different issues.
[1:45:49] But again, if you have questions, just
[1:45:51] let me know.
[1:45:52] >> Move to approve.
[1:45:54] >> Mr. Chair.
[1:45:56] >> Yes, Bridget.
[1:46:00] Did you get a motion in a second? Sorry,
[1:46:02] I jumped in too soon.
[1:46:05] >> I move to approve, but
[1:46:07] >> and I'll move to second that.
[1:46:08] >> All right. Got it.
[1:46:10] >> Okay.
[1:46:10] >> Now we do.
[1:46:12] >> So, my qu question for Susan is um
[1:46:16] obviously I see the need for this. I'm
[1:46:19] very pleased to see it, but there's
[1:46:22] certain other departments that are not
[1:46:25] included in here. And the one that I can
[1:46:27] think of off the top of my head is the
[1:46:29] human resource department.
[1:46:32] do they fall under something else or
[1:46:35] because I would think that in human
[1:46:38] resources with medical leaves um leaves
[1:46:41] of absence whatever it might be um even
[1:46:44] if it's just applicants and
[1:46:48] um people interviewing for jobs or not
[1:46:52] interviewing anything like that why is
[1:46:54] that not HIPPA
[1:46:56] >> so
[1:46:56] >> for human resources
[1:46:58] >> that is addressed within the document
[1:47:00] and it's long and it it's fairly
[1:47:02] complex. Um, so page two starts it and
[1:47:05] it what it says under C is certain
[1:47:07] departments and offices have unique
[1:47:09] legal requirements requiring them to
[1:47:10] follow HIPPA at times such as through
[1:47:12] Wisconsin's reference to HIPPA within
[1:47:14] its administrative codes or statutes
[1:47:16] with those departments and offices being
[1:47:18] the following and those are listed. the
[1:47:20] veteran services office, um the
[1:47:22] coroner's office, HR, if you go to page
[1:47:25] three is also listed and it's specific
[1:47:27] to those medical files in the
[1:47:29] administration of duties related to uh
[1:47:32] uh anything that would be medically
[1:47:33] related. So, good question.
[1:47:35] >> Oh, okay. Yeah, my printer cut it off.
[1:47:37] So, sorry.
[1:47:41] >> Thank you. Yep. Any other discussion?
[1:47:43] You're welcome.
[1:47:44] >> For Corp Council, we might be able to
[1:47:46] ask or answer.
[1:47:50] >> All right. Hearing none, I think we'll
[1:47:51] go ahead and move the roll call, please.
[1:47:53] Mary
[1:47:53] >> Bridget Turner,
[1:47:56] >> yes.
[1:47:56] >> Andy Parish,
[1:47:57] >> yes.
[1:47:58] >> Breaker Todd,
[1:47:59] >> yes.
[1:47:59] >> Lorie Severson,
[1:48:00] >> yes.
[1:48:01] >> Andy Todd,
[1:48:02] >> yes.
[1:48:02] >> Richard Anderson,
[1:48:03] >> yes.
[1:48:04] >> Scott Leonard,
[1:48:05] >> yes.
[1:48:05] >> Paul Severson,
[1:48:06] >> yes.
[1:48:07] >> Kevin Whan,
[1:48:08] >> yes.
[1:48:08] >> John Austin,
[1:48:09] >> yes.
[1:48:10] >> Don Trou,
[1:48:11] >> yes. Robert Becker,
[1:48:13] it's gone. Uh, Renee Lion,
[1:48:15] >> yes.
[1:48:16] >> John Scog,
[1:48:17] >> yes.
[1:48:18] >> David Larson,
[1:48:18] >> yes.
[1:48:19] >> Kristen Hughesby,
[1:48:20] >> yes.
[1:48:20] >> Ron Johnson,
[1:48:21] >> yes.
[1:48:24] >> 16.
[1:48:25] >> Do we miss somebody? Oh, Robert. Oh,
[1:48:28] >> he's missing an action.
[1:48:29] >> All right, we got one missing action,
[1:48:31] but it did pass. So,
[1:48:34] >> all right, we're going to go ahead and
[1:48:36] move six resolutions. F audit committee.
[1:48:39] Resolution number 2026-09-07
[1:48:44] claims of members.
[1:48:46] >> All right. Do I have a motion on the
[1:48:48] floor?
[1:48:50] >> We have Johnson is one.
[1:48:51] >> Second.
[1:48:52] >> We have Supervisor Todd is two. Any
[1:48:55] discussion on this?
[1:48:57] >> Go back to him.
[1:49:01] >> Oh, hearing none.
[1:49:04] Mr. Becker.
[1:49:05] >> Yes.
[1:49:05] >> How would you like to vote on the HIPPA?
[1:49:08] >> Yes.
[1:49:09] >> Thank you. Thank you. All right, we're
[1:49:11] going to go ahead and take roll call for
[1:49:13] the audit.
[1:49:15] >> Riker Todd,
[1:49:17] >> yes.
[1:49:18] >> Lorie Severson,
[1:49:19] >> yes.
[1:49:19] >> Andy Todd,
[1:49:22] >> yes.
[1:49:23] >> Richard Anderson,
[1:49:24] >> yes.
[1:49:24] >> Scott Leonard,
[1:49:25] >> yes.
[1:49:26] >> Paul Severson,
[1:49:27] >> yes.
[1:49:27] >> Kevin Whan,
[1:49:28] >> yes.
[1:49:29] >> John Austin,
[1:49:30] >> yes.
[1:49:30] >> Don Troop,
[1:49:31] >> yes.
[1:49:32] >> Robert Becker,
[1:49:33] >> yes.
[1:49:33] >> Renee Lion,
[1:49:34] >> yes.
[1:49:34] >> John Scout,
[1:49:35] >> yes.
[1:49:36] >> David Larson,
[1:49:37] >> yes.
[1:49:37] >> Kristen Husby,
[1:49:38] >> yes. Ron Johnson,
[1:49:39] >> yes.
[1:49:40] >> Bridget Turner,
[1:49:42] >> yes.
[1:49:42] >> Midy Parish,
[1:49:44] >> did I sign the wrong place? Yes.
[1:49:47] [laughter] I did.
[1:49:53] >> All right, we passed 170.
[1:49:56] All right, we're going to move on to
[1:49:57] number seven,
[1:49:59] >> announcements, appointment,
[1:50:00] appointments,
[1:50:00] >> send it to Buffalo,
[1:50:01] >> and elections.
[1:50:03] Okay, we got discussion possible action
[1:50:05] to change committee assignment for two
[1:50:08] supervisors, Scott Leonard and Renee
[1:50:10] Lion. Switch law enforcement and
[1:50:12] property committee assignments. Um, do I
[1:50:15] got a motion on the floor to discuss?
[1:50:17] >> All right, we have um Hughes B as number
[1:50:19] one. I got do I got a number two?
[1:50:21] >> All right, we're going to have Becker as
[1:50:23] two. All right, any discussion? I I will
[1:50:27] um start with this if you guys don't
[1:50:29] mind. And I got a letter from um
[1:50:30] Supervisor Leonard asking me on
[1:50:33] September 9th if he could be removed
[1:50:35] from the law enforcement committee. I
[1:50:37] talked um with um Supervisor Lion and
[1:50:42] Supervisor Leonard and they both agreed
[1:50:44] to switch um Supervisor Leonard will be
[1:50:47] taking property and um Supervisor Lion
[1:50:50] will be taking law enforcement.
[1:50:53] Um if that's okay with everybody on the
[1:50:55] floor. Um, is there any discussion after
[1:50:58] hearing that?
[1:51:02] [laughter]
[1:51:04] >> If you didn't like it, Chrissy, you had
[1:51:06] to throw something at me. [laughter]
[1:51:08] >> All right. Hearing none, I'm
[1:51:10] >> just just curious. Well, go ahead. Why
[1:51:11] this is coming up now
[1:51:14] >> cuz the appointment was made right after
[1:51:16] we asked to do it. So, I went to Mr.
[1:51:19] Leonard and I went to Supervisor Lion
[1:51:22] and they um agreed to do it.
[1:51:24] >> So, I have a question. Yes.
[1:51:26] >> So, we just tried to move the DA from
[1:51:28] law enforcement without talking to
[1:51:30] anybody on law enforcement to the
[1:51:32] executive finance committee
[1:51:35] and it failed.
[1:51:37] And now we have this letter. It's like
[1:51:39] we keep gerrymandering the way we do
[1:51:41] governments here. Like, can we get some
[1:51:43] honest truth as to why all of this is
[1:51:45] happening on the record?
[1:51:47] >> Absolutely. Um there's a supervisor that
[1:51:50] um has been pounding another supervisor
[1:51:53] on Facebook page and his family is
[1:51:55] getting really hammered pretty hard on
[1:51:57] it and uh it's his family is more
[1:51:59] important than this job is. So he
[1:52:01] decided to go ahead and go off of law
[1:52:03] enforcement so that will stop. So that
[1:52:05] was the whole purpose of doing this and
[1:52:08] I chose I agreed with M uh Supervisor
[1:52:11] Leonard that um his family is a lot more
[1:52:13] important than this job. So that's
[1:52:15] that's the whole discussion on it. Any
[1:52:19] other discussion?
[1:52:22] >> I'm just curious. Um I I don't oppose
[1:52:24] the change. It's fine. But I am just
[1:52:26] curious how we
[1:52:28] decided to move Renee into that
[1:52:30] position. Like how did we say, "Oh,
[1:52:33] Renee should go to law enforcement
[1:52:35] versus maybe somebody else."
[1:52:37] >> I'm the one who put those assignments
[1:52:39] in. So it's my job as a board chair to
[1:52:42] change those assignments if it was
[1:52:44] asked. So, I went ahead and and and
[1:52:46] asked if they would be willing to do
[1:52:48] that um to get this conflict taken care
[1:52:51] of and uh that's what I came up with.
[1:52:54] >> Conflict.
[1:52:56] >> What conflict?
[1:52:57] >> The idea
[1:52:57] >> on Facebook?
[1:52:58] >> Yep. A conflict of him having his family
[1:53:00] bashed on Facebook. He had enough of
[1:53:02] that. So, he was he asked me to get this
[1:53:04] moved. So, I did it.
[1:53:06] >> I don't think this requires a roll call
[1:53:09] vote. So, just a
[1:53:12] >> All right. Any other discussion? hear
[1:53:14] your name.
[1:53:15] >> Hearing none. All those in favor signify
[1:53:17] by by saying yes.
[1:53:19] >> Yes.
[1:53:19] >> Yes.
[1:53:20] >> All those not in favor say no.
[1:53:24] Looks like we carried that one.
[1:53:30] Number eight, committee reports.
[1:53:32] >> None.
[1:53:34] >> Number nine, correspondence.
[1:53:36] >> We have none there.
[1:53:37] >> I'm not aware of. So,
[1:53:39] >> all right,
[1:53:40] >> John. [laughter]
[1:53:43] John Scott,
[1:53:46] >> I've got a a couple of things that I'd
[1:53:48] like to see on the agenda for the
[1:53:50] future. Um, one is uh timing for hiring
[1:53:56] a replacement for the county
[1:53:57] administrator.
[1:54:00] A second would be discussion around an
[1:54:02] exit interview for Becky, assuming she's
[1:54:05] willing.
[1:54:06] And a third is a discussion that uh uh
[1:54:10] about the ethics board and Susan's email
[1:54:13] from September 16th
[1:54:15] about the the who was on the ethics
[1:54:18] board and revisiting that.
[1:54:21] >> So those three things
[1:54:22] >> I'm going to go follow back to you how
[1:54:24] that works for
[1:54:25] >> the board. So I just in general future
[1:54:28] agenda items and I'm going to be real
[1:54:29] clear from the get-go. We can't talk
[1:54:31] about the topics. We're just talking
[1:54:32] about the future agenda items themselves
[1:54:35] and whether to place them on the agenda.
[1:54:37] So there's two options going one by one
[1:54:39] by one. Um each item can either be
[1:54:42] approved or denied by the chair. Those
[1:54:45] who are um not if there's a denial
[1:54:49] denials can be appealed. You need a
[1:54:51] motion. You need a second. There is a a
[1:54:55] requirement for majority vote. We have a
[1:54:57] quirk in our ordinance. Um I'm not sure
[1:54:59] if anybody has taken a look at it. Our
[1:55:01] ordinance actually states that the chair
[1:55:03] cannot appeal his or her own decisions.
[1:55:06] So kind of that part is a little
[1:55:08] unusual, but the procedure is either
[1:55:11] there's an acceptance to putting it on
[1:55:13] the future agenda or not. And if not, it
[1:55:17] goes through the potential appeal
[1:55:19] process.
[1:55:21] >> Do we need a motion to approve?
[1:55:23] >> I'll second.
[1:55:24] >> No, no, no, no, no, no.
[1:55:28] So
[1:55:29] >> So the only
[1:55:31] So the only thing the first question
[1:55:33] would be to what I'm hearing from
[1:55:35] supervisor Scog is a request to the
[1:55:38] chair to put these three items on the
[1:55:41] agenda. Is that correct?
[1:55:42] >> Correct.
[1:55:43] >> Okay. And then the next question is, is
[1:55:46] that acceptable for the next committee
[1:55:48] meeting?
[1:55:48] >> So let's if you're okay with this, John,
[1:55:50] let's go ahead and start with the first
[1:55:52] one. Go ahead.
[1:55:54] >> Uh well, the first one was timing for
[1:55:57] hiring a replacement of the county
[1:55:59] administrator. Um yes, I think that
[1:56:00] needs to be on the agenda, but I believe
[1:56:02] for the exec finance committee
[1:56:06] to start with that because that's where
[1:56:07] the um um administrator lies in when it
[1:56:11] comes to
[1:56:11] >> I'm going to go ahead and appeal the
[1:56:13] decision of the chair on that one.
[1:56:14] >> I I just I think the plan was was to get
[1:56:18] it started, go to personnel bargaining
[1:56:20] as well as executive finance and bring
[1:56:22] it to county board.
[1:56:24] >> Well, county board,
[1:56:25] >> correct?
[1:56:26] >> Keep it in committee.
[1:56:29] I'll take mine back then.
[1:56:31] >> Makes sense.
[1:56:34] >> So, so, so I'm going to say come to the
[1:56:37] county board.
[1:56:39] >> It's It's going to come to the exec I
[1:56:41] look at it going to the exact finance
[1:56:43] committee. So, I'd say no for the county
[1:56:45] board when it comes to coming to the
[1:56:47] county board because it's got to go
[1:56:49] through the exact finance committee
[1:56:50] first. Does that make sense? That
[1:56:51] doesn't mean it ain't got to go to the
[1:56:52] county board. That just means it's got
[1:56:54] to go to the committee first. We always
[1:56:55] want to go through committee first. I
[1:56:58] understand what you said, but I think
[1:57:00] you're supporting what I'm saying is it
[1:57:02] will eventually get to the county board.
[1:57:05] I
[1:57:05] >> I would say yes.
[1:57:08] >> Yes.
[1:57:09] >> As long as
[1:57:10] >> Yes.
[1:57:10] >> Yeah.
[1:57:12] >> So, number two,
[1:57:14] >> um
[1:57:16] exit interview for Becky Gluen.
[1:57:19] >> Again, um that's through um committee
[1:57:21] will go through personnel bargaining and
[1:57:23] exec finance committee to eventually go
[1:57:25] to the full board if it passes. uh
[1:57:27] personal bargaining exeact.
[1:57:28] >> Can I clarify? Is that actually agenda
[1:57:31] item on the exact finance committee?
[1:57:34] >> Uh not right now. It's not. He's asking
[1:57:36] to get done on [clears throat] the
[1:57:37] >> Mr. Chair.
[1:57:38] >> Yes. Go ahead.
[1:57:38] >> We let Susan speak on the
[1:57:40] >> Yes, that'd be great.
[1:57:41] >> So, I'm going to again state that this
[1:57:43] is not an agenda item. So, we're getting
[1:57:45] into gray area here. There is a
[1:57:48] contract. The contract is public record.
[1:57:50] There is also an employee handbook. The
[1:57:52] employee is public record. um by the
[1:57:56] contract I the administrator is overseen
[1:57:59] by uh the executive finance committee I
[1:58:03] with obviously some chair assistance but
[1:58:05] to the extent that HR is involved PB
[1:58:08] also has oversight so there is a
[1:58:11] separate provision for PB requiring PB's
[1:58:14] oversight
[1:58:16] and going to the and I'll I'll circle
[1:58:18] them both together in a moment so just
[1:58:19] bear with me the handbook says that and
[1:58:23] I don't have that one as well memorized
[1:58:26] but essentially HR staff conducts exit
[1:58:28] interviews but we don't have a clear
[1:58:31] provision what happens when you have an
[1:58:33] administrator within I who is seeking
[1:58:36] the exit review. So we're kind of again
[1:58:38] in no man's land or grey land. Um so we
[1:58:42] could do something by agreement. Um we
[1:58:47] could we you know I I I don't want to
[1:58:50] put Becky on any spot today. we're not
[1:58:52] having an agenda item
[1:58:54] >> uh or we don't have an agenda item. Um
[1:58:57] ultimately it is the board that would
[1:58:59] approve or deny any contract. So we're
[1:59:03] those are a lot of different parts to
[1:59:05] this with no clear path forward is what
[1:59:07] I'm saying. But that doesn't also mean
[1:59:08] it doesn't happen. So
[1:59:13] we don't the the con or excuse me the
[1:59:15] employee handbook was never updated in
[1:59:17] that specific provision.
[1:59:19] So if I can So where I'm at with it is
[1:59:22] we we can discuss this not in this
[1:59:25] environment discuss it outside so we get
[1:59:28] dialed everything dialed in and then we
[1:59:29] can move from there is what my goal is
[1:59:32] when it comes to let's talk
[1:59:36] and put this through the right
[1:59:37] committees before it goes to the board.
[1:59:39] I guess where I'm at is just uh we have
[1:59:42] a a real opportunity to learn and I I I
[1:59:47] think it would be a
[1:59:48] >> and we can have this discussion. I just
[1:59:50] want to get on legal appointment if
[1:59:53] a pathway to do that and
[1:59:55] >> you guys can choose to decide to just
[1:59:58] put it on the next committee uh excuse
[2:00:02] me board agenda subject to your um
[2:00:05] subject to uh administrator's
[2:00:07] uh wish to have an exit interview and um
[2:00:11] any other parameters you can do that um
[2:00:14] but I want to make sure that we respect
[2:00:16] the right of the employee to volunteer
[2:00:19] you know, to decide whether to have the
[2:00:21] accident interview or not. That's there.
[2:00:23] It again, it's it there are some gray
[2:00:26] areas. So, what you want to do, you can
[2:00:28] vote to put that on the next uh board
[2:00:30] agenda if you wish uh with some caveats.
[2:00:33] Again, it's subject to whether one is
[2:00:35] wanted and what that would look like. Um
[2:00:39] or you can refer it to committee. It's
[2:00:42] it's up to you.
[2:00:45] And I wish I had a clearer answer than
[2:00:47] that, but it's not as clear within the
[2:00:49] handbook as I'd like it to be.
[2:00:53] >> So, I'm going to look at at this point
[2:00:54] is let's move it to committee. So, I'd
[2:00:56] have to say I'm going to call it out of
[2:00:59] order and not move forward with it.
[2:01:05] >> Susan,
[2:01:06] >> yeah, they could still
[2:01:09] >> item three. You had three.
[2:01:11] >> Yeah, you can appeal that decision.
[2:01:12] >> I want to appeal the decision of the
[2:01:13] chair.
[2:01:14] >> Let's item.
[2:01:15] >> Do I have a second?
[2:01:17] >> I guess I'll second that
[2:01:19] >> to get to go. What was appeal for?
[2:01:24] >> What?
[2:01:25] >> No.
[2:01:26] >> To put it on the agenda, the board
[2:01:28] agenda. I don't I there's too many
[2:01:30] things that happen that I have found
[2:01:32] that have happened that happen in close
[2:01:33] session, then I don't have access to it
[2:01:36] and then I got to make decisions on it.
[2:01:37] So, I would much rather have that
[2:01:39] decision, especially this big.
[2:01:41] >> Up to the board.
[2:01:44] This would have to be in close session
[2:01:46] any
[2:01:47] >> so
[2:01:49] I I just received a question. Would it
[2:01:50] have to be in closed session? My guess
[2:01:53] is an extra view would be in close
[2:01:54] session. That doesn't mean you can't
[2:01:57] have the appeal. So we're kind of
[2:01:59] separating issues.
[2:02:00] >> So
[2:02:02] do close session board,
[2:02:04] >> right?
[2:02:05] >> So that's why I'm appealing your
[2:02:06] decision, Mr. Chair.
[2:02:09] >> Susan, isn't this a little a lot of
[2:02:11] discussion and something?
[2:02:12] >> We're getting there. I'd like to just
[2:02:13] have a vote on it.
[2:02:14] >> Yeah, let's just let's have a vote on
[2:02:16] this. Yeah, we got a first by Andy, we
[2:02:18] had a second by um Turner.
[2:02:21] >> Um
[2:02:22] >> no discussion um
[2:02:24] >> to put it on to put it on a full board.
[2:02:26] >> I don't want to see
[2:02:27] >> and we're going to have to take roll
[2:02:28] call vote.
[2:02:33] >> Scott Leonard,
[2:02:35] >> what's this?
[2:02:36] >> Can you clarify what this is?
[2:02:38] >> I have no idea what's going on here.
[2:02:41] I'm I'm appealing the decision that it
[2:02:42] goes through committee and that the
[2:02:44] board potentially could not be a part of
[2:02:46] it because it's closed session.
[2:02:48] >> So yes would be in support of the
[2:02:50] appeal. [cough]
[2:02:52] >> Yes supported going to
[2:02:53] >> Can we vote on something that's not
[2:02:56] >> Can can I
[2:02:57] >> We don't even have it on the agenda.
[2:02:58] >> The sole vote is to put this on the next
[2:03:04] >> board county board agenda without going
[2:03:06] through committee.
[2:03:07] >> We're not having any more discussions.
[2:03:09] Yes. Means it goes on the agenda next.
[2:03:11] >> Yes.
[2:03:12] >> And that's it. No discussion to the
[2:03:14] merits
[2:03:14] >> whether or not
[2:03:15] >> we do
[2:03:16] >> whether or not the administrator wants.
[2:03:23] >> So go ahead and start again.
[2:03:24] >> All right. Scott Leonard.
[2:03:27] >> Yes.
[2:03:29] >> Paul Severson.
[2:03:30] >> This is just on the exit interview,
[2:03:32] correct?
[2:03:33] >> Yes.
[2:03:34] >> Yes.
[2:03:36] >> Kevin Whan.
[2:03:38] No.
[2:03:40] >> John Austin.
[2:03:41] >> Yes.
[2:03:42] >> Don Trou.
[2:03:43] >> Yes.
[2:03:44] >> Robert Becker.
[2:03:51] >> Hello.
[2:03:53] >> Got to push your button.
[2:03:54] >> When you get a chance, honey.
[2:03:58] [clears throat]
[2:04:00] >> No.
[2:04:02] >> Renee Lion.
[2:04:03] >> Yes.
[2:04:03] >> John Scog.
[2:04:04] >> Yes.
[2:04:05] >> David Larson.
[2:04:07] >> No.
[2:04:08] Kristen Hughesby.
[2:04:09] >> Yes.
[2:04:10] >> Ron Johnson.
[2:04:14] >> Yes.
[2:04:16] >> Bridget Turner.
[2:04:18] >> Yes.
[2:04:20] >> Andy Parish.
[2:04:22] >> Yes.
[2:04:23] >> Riker Todd.
[2:04:24] >> No.
[2:04:26] >> Lorie Severson.
[2:04:29] >> Andy Todd.
[2:04:30] >> No.
[2:04:31] >> Richard Anderson.
[2:04:32] >> Yes.
[2:04:34] >> One, two, three, four, five.
[2:04:36] 12 yes, five no.
[2:04:38] >> All right, it passes. It's going to be
[2:04:39] on the next agenda.
[2:04:42] >> I think there was one other
[2:04:44] >> Yeah, the the third one was um the the
[2:04:48] ethics board composition
[2:04:52] and to review the um the composition of
[2:04:56] that board and is it appropriate?
[2:05:03] I'm going have to stick with my guns on
[2:05:04] this. it should go through committee
[2:05:06] first. So, I'm going to say no.
[2:05:08] >> Mr. Chair, can I speak on that? I talked
[2:05:10] to Susan. She's got a lot of things that
[2:05:11] she's bringing forward. Uh we talked
[2:05:13] about trying to bring a lot of this uh
[2:05:16] this next meeting to talk about and then
[2:05:19] for the next couple months, um another
[2:05:22] supervisor Tro had talked to me about
[2:05:24] that issue as well to put it on
[2:05:26] executive finance. I'm willing to do
[2:05:28] that, but there is so much going on
[2:05:30] right now with budget and everything
[2:05:31] else. I said that it probably wouldn't
[2:05:33] happen till maybe December. I've talked
[2:05:35] to Susan as well, Corp Council. We've
[2:05:38] talked about it. Uh there is going to be
[2:05:40] a discussion on it. I don't know if
[2:05:41] there'll be any discussion coming up
[2:05:43] this month or next month, but
[2:05:46] >> I think if I may, what I Yes, you may.
[2:05:48] >> What I recall is that
[2:05:51] >> uh it's discussion with possible action
[2:05:53] as to recommendations.
[2:05:55] So, it's not going to be the end all be
[2:05:59] all and it's not going to be the last
[2:06:01] version that goes to exact finance. It's
[2:06:04] what do you guys want and as I go
[2:06:07] through there's some if you remember um
[2:06:09] and I don't want to go too far but I
[2:06:11] just I need to know what the board
[2:06:12] wants. That's essentially it. I don't
[2:06:14] want to get to the topic anymore or
[2:06:16] discuss anymore. Um I think you know we
[2:06:20] having some insight on what the board
[2:06:22] wants is great. I I think it makes sense
[2:06:25] to some extent to have it go to the
[2:06:26] committee now and then if it's depending
[2:06:29] on where it goes down the line to bring
[2:06:31] back the appeal.
[2:06:35] But that's my those are my two cents.
[2:06:37] >> Mr. Chair, if I'm just understanding
[2:06:38] this correctly, I'm just a little bit
[2:06:40] confused. So, um, if we, if I'm
[2:06:45] understanding you correctly, you would
[2:06:47] just like to see some discussion
[2:06:51] and the door open for discussion and
[2:06:54] modification, possible modification of
[2:06:57] the policy.
[2:06:58] >> It is currently an action item as I
[2:07:00] understand it. It's on the exact finance
[2:07:03] item now and it's for recommendations.
[2:07:06] It's not for a final draft to bring
[2:07:07] forward.
[2:07:08] >> Right. Okay. I'm sorry. When is it
[2:07:10] coming to exec Finance?
[2:07:12] >> Next week or whenever the
[2:07:15] >> It's next week already. Yeah,
[2:07:18] >> she has a lot of stuff on there that she
[2:07:20] has sent to us and I don't know that
[2:07:22] we're going to get through everything be
[2:07:24] honest with you at the next executive
[2:07:25] finance meeting. We might either have to
[2:07:27] have another one or wait till November.
[2:07:30] I'm not sure because there's a lot. You
[2:07:32] sent it out to everybody, didn't you?
[2:07:34] >> I sent it out to everybody, all board
[2:07:37] members with
[2:07:38] >> multiple things. um
[2:07:41] the WCA rules, the proposed updates,
[2:07:45] questions, um a draft table, so forth.
[2:07:49] And
[2:07:50] >> unless there's a sense of urg urgency
[2:07:52] with ethics uh changing,
[2:07:54] [cough and clears throat]
[2:07:55] I don't know what the reasoning is for
[2:07:57] it. That was established by the prior
[2:07:59] executive committee and uh I would trust
[2:08:03] that they put thought into it at that
[2:08:04] time when they established an ethics
[2:08:07] committee. So,
[2:08:09] >> um,
[2:08:09] >> all right, we got to stop discussion you
[2:08:11] guys. Thanks.
[2:08:12] >> I'm just going to, um, say no on that
[2:08:15] one. I'm sorry. Just You heard
[2:08:18] discussion from Corp Council when it
[2:08:20] comes to that.
[2:08:22] So, I can't have any more discussion.
[2:08:24] >> So, you're saying no to
[2:08:27] >> no to bringing it to the full board?
[2:08:29] >> Full board. Yes. Because it's already
[2:08:31] going to be no discussion going to exec
[2:08:33] finance next week
[2:08:35] >> and it will be on next week. Okay.
[2:08:38] >> It will be on next week.
[2:08:40] >> That was my understanding of what I
[2:08:42] reviewed today.
[2:08:43] >> Yes, we're going to go through it
[2:08:45] >> and then the recommendations will come
[2:08:47] to the full county board.
[2:08:48] >> The recommendations right now is going
[2:08:50] to go to Susan so she can prepare it and
[2:08:52] then at some point bring it to county
[2:08:54] board.
[2:08:54] >> Yes.
[2:08:57] >> Correct. Court counsel.
[2:09:00] >> So Susan, just for simplicity. So,
[2:09:02] you're going to they're going to
[2:09:03] committee is going to approve something,
[2:09:04] but the full board would still need to
[2:09:05] approve whatever the committee went
[2:09:07] through.
[2:09:07] >> Absolutely. So, if I may, and I'm going
[2:09:09] to try to stick to procedure, you know,
[2:09:11] and maybe offer a a way out uh as we're
[2:09:15] approaching 8:00. Um, so this isn't an
[2:09:19] ordinance. We need to amend our
[2:09:21] ordinance for lots of reasons. This
[2:09:24] includes our board rules. I don't have
[2:09:27] enough information right now to be able
[2:09:28] to draft everything. I need that. I need
[2:09:30] it from you guys to be able to draft it.
[2:09:32] These are your rules though, so I'm
[2:09:34] trying to make sure that they're right.
[2:09:36] We could attach just a checkin to the
[2:09:39] November one uh at the end after budget
[2:09:43] so that the board continues to feel like
[2:09:45] it has uh some weigh in to see where
[2:09:48] things are. Uh I I don't think we're
[2:09:51] going to have a a final polished draft
[2:09:54] by November because we have lots of
[2:09:56] things going on as well as budget, but I
[2:09:58] also hear that uh and would that be
[2:10:01] acceptable to the chair that we place it
[2:10:03] as a kind of an update uh and possible
[2:10:06] action as to recommendations for the
[2:10:08] November meeting?
[2:10:09] >> That would be totally fine.
[2:10:12] >> I'm I'm good with that. I I just wanted
[2:10:15] to follow up on your email and to
[2:10:18] understand where we're going with it.
[2:10:25] >> With that said, meeting is adjourned.