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[0:03] All requirements has been met.
[0:07] Uh, we have a I believe a 13. Is it 13?
[0:10] 11, excuse me. 11 item agenda. I need a
[0:13] motion. 13.
[0:15] >> Okay. I only have 11 on mine.
[0:17] >> Back second page.
[0:18] >> Oh, sorry.
[0:21] 13 item agenda. I need a motion.
[0:25] >> So moved to accept the agenda.
[0:28] >> Okay.
[0:28] >> I'll second it. Seconded.
[0:31] >> All those in favor signify by saying I.
[0:33] >> I.
[0:34] >> I.
[0:34] >> I.
[0:34] >> Opposed.
[0:37] You have adopted. Adoption of prior
[0:39] meeting minutes. Mining minutes. And we
[0:41] do not have them as you said.
[0:44] >> Presently for this meeting. They'll be
[0:47] added to next.
[0:48] >> Yep. They'll be added to next month.
[0:50] >> Okay.
[0:53] >> Item number five, public comment of 15
[0:56] minutes. If there's anybody here that
[0:58] would like to speak and if there anybody
[1:01] calling in the number is 7155381894
[1:09] >> up to the podium please
[1:14] >> button here.
[1:15] >> Perfect. Hi.
[1:17] >> Um my name is Aaron Ditner and I live in
[1:19] Treolo. I work in data engineering. I
[1:23] build systems that turn raw event data
[1:24] into behavior patterns.
[1:27] So when I look at the plate reader data,
[1:29] I don't see pictures of cars. I see a
[1:31] data set. And I know what you can do
[1:33] with one.
[1:35] I want to say upfront that I understand
[1:37] why this county has these cameras.
[1:40] They solve real cases. I'm not here to
[1:44] tell you technology is bad and I'm not
[1:46] here to argue the Fourth Amendment.
[1:47] That's being litigated elsewhere and it
[1:49] isn't your call. I'm here about the
[1:51] governance which is
[1:54] let me give you a scenario.
[1:56] I drop my son at practice and park on
[1:58] the street to wait because in 40 minutes
[2:00] it's 40 minutes and there's no point in
[2:01] driving home. Someone sees a car sitting
[2:04] there and calls in a suspicious vehicle.
[2:06] No plate, just description. Silver Chevy
[2:08] Traverse. Under this system, that
[2:10] description becomes a search. Flock
[2:12] advertises a feature called vehicle
[2:14] fingerprint. It captures make, body
[2:17] type, color, roof racks, damage, bumper
[2:20] stickers, and other identifying
[2:21] characteristics. So, a deputy runs
[2:23] silver Chevy Traverse in that area and
[2:26] gets back every vehicle that matches
[2:28] along with everywhere those vehicles
[2:29] have been seen. I was waiting for my
[2:32] kid, but now I'm on a list with other
[2:34] people who were also doing nothing. And
[2:36] my movements may have just been pulled
[2:37] up because somebody made a phone call.
[2:40] Nobody did anything wrong there. That's
[2:42] the system working the way it was sold.
[2:45] It doesn't start with a suspect and
[2:47] confirm them. It can start with a
[2:48] description and produce suspects.
[2:51] And a time stamp and location doesn't
[2:53] look like much on its own. Thousands of
[2:55] them for the same vehicle as a routine.
[2:57] And routine tells you where someone
[2:59] works and that what [clears throat] time
[3:01] they leave, which route they take, and
[3:03] when that pattern changes. The cameras
[3:06] are already running. The written policy
[3:07] isn't in place. Wisconsin has no state
[3:11] statute file filling that gap. So,
[3:14] whatever this county puts on paper is
[3:16] the only thing standing between this
[3:17] department and a complaint it can't
[3:19] answer.
[3:21] That's really why I'm here. A policy
[3:22] protects your deputies as much as it
[3:24] protects me. If someone accuses this
[3:27] office of misusing the system, the
[3:29] written policy and the review process
[3:30] are what let you say, "No, here's our
[3:33] standard. Here's the log. Here's who
[3:35] checked it." Without that, you're
[3:37] defending yourselves without with a
[3:39] promise.
[3:41] So, I have three questions I'd want
[3:42] answered.
[3:44] If a resident calls tomorrow and asks,
[3:46] "Who searched my plate?" What does your
[3:48] sheriff tell her?
[3:51] Second, who can query our cameras from
[3:53] outside this county? And does anyone
[3:55] here review those searches? We control
[3:58] our cameras. We don't necessarily
[4:00] control who searches the data collected
[4:02] by those cameras.
[4:04] And third, if an officer searches using
[4:06] a vehicle description rather than
[4:09] entering a specific plate, does that
[4:11] search appear in the audit log as a
[4:13] search of my vehicle or my plate?
[4:16] Because that's an important distinction.
[4:18] If I am identified through a description
[4:20] like Silver Chevy Traverse, and the
[4:22] system returns my vehicle, its
[4:24] historical locations, I want to know
[4:26] whether there's a record that shows that
[4:27] my vehicle was searched even though my
[4:30] plate number was never entered. I'm
[4:32] asking you to support item nine and get
[4:34] the policy written. [clears throat] If
[4:35] the answers to those questions are good,
[4:37] the cameras come through the review just
[4:39] fine. Thank you.
[4:44] Do I if you guys can do you get to
[4:46] respond or no? Okay. Thank you.
[5:01] Hi, my name is Monica the floor. I'm
[5:03] also in Trump. I don't do public
[5:04] speaking, so I'm going to make it quick.
[5:06] I support number nine.
[5:16] Anybody else? No.
[5:21] Okay. Thank you. We will move on to
[5:25] number six. Discussion of Axon package
[5:28] quote for lasers, body cameras, squad
[5:31] cameras.
[5:36] >> I'm going to have Captain Bill Shazinski
[5:38] come up and do the presentation. He's
[5:39] been working with Axon.
[5:54] >> Here comes John.
[5:56] >> [laughter]
[5:58] >> Thank you, sir.
[6:17] So, I was asked by the sheriff to do a
[6:19] quick presentation on the Axon bid for
[6:22] um tasers,
[6:25] new squad cameras, and body camera
[6:27] package. the way it comes through Axon.
[6:30] Um, actually, I'll start with Motorola
[6:34] quick. We did a bid through Motorola.
[6:37] It's not in there. I can pass this one
[6:39] around. Just for body cameras and squad
[6:42] cameras for Motorola with a 5-year
[6:45] service plan. It was $400,000.
[6:50] So, that didn't include tasers.
[6:54] Um,
[7:00] maybe I didn't grab it. Then we went
[7:01] with a lens lock. Also got a bid from
[7:03] them
[7:05] for body cameras and squad cameras. It
[7:08] was 377,000 for a 5-year plan.
[7:12] So, now I'll move into Axon.
[7:15] Axon is the same thing. It's a 60-month
[7:17] plan. Um, it's on the first page, so
[7:20] we'll get it right out there. Total
[7:22] investment over 5 years is $480,827.91.
[7:30] What this includes though is the tasers,
[7:33] squad cameras, and body cameras.
[7:36] Our tasers that we currently have are
[7:39] outdated.
[7:40] They don't make for the X26. They did
[7:43] not they do not make the digital battery
[7:46] form anymore. So once we're done with
[7:48] those, we're done. So, we have deputies
[7:50] [clears throat]
[7:51] without tasers right now. We have picked
[7:54] up a couple XP or yeah, 26PS from
[7:57] Arcadia who just went to Axon. So, we
[8:01] have a couple extra here. We can get
[8:03] through with those, but those are being
[8:05] slowly outdated. Also,
[8:09] um this basically breaks down to through
[8:12] the to five years. It's $96,000
[8:15] a year for
[8:18] the OP for the cameras, the support, the
[8:22] tasers. Anything happens with any of the
[8:24] equipment that Axon has, they they
[8:27] replace it. Body cameras, they replace
[8:30] at 2 and 1/2 years. and the batteries
[8:33] just because those things are running um
[8:36] constantly a little more than what the
[8:37] squad camera is. They will come on
[8:40] premise to do the installs. Um they do
[8:43] the training. So everything that's
[8:45] involved in here is they train our
[8:47] trainer to train users on the tasers and
[8:50] everything.
[8:51] Um, this also includes the AI data
[8:55] redaction tool which will help with data
[9:00] redaction from our records clerk. Um,
[9:03] and we've already been kind of talking
[9:05] about um, that um, Carol can talk a tad
[9:08] more on that that we're looking at
[9:10] training Tiffany to do it also. Um,
[9:16] I know it seems like a it's a it is a
[9:18] big number, but uh again, our squad
[9:19] cameras right now we have are no longer
[9:21] supported. Also, um we're losing service
[9:25] on those. We've again our KDPD, thanks
[9:29] to them. They're kind of keeping us
[9:30] running on a couple because they went to
[9:33] um new camera system. So, we got a few
[9:35] of their parts to keep our camera
[9:37] systems going, but ours are also
[9:39] failing. So, um, mic packs are failing.
[9:43] And the thing with a mic pack, it's only
[9:46] good for a certain distance. You go
[9:48] inside of a building, you have no more
[9:50] auto audio anymore. Body cameras,
[9:54] you know, I'm on each side of it. Um, I
[9:56] really am. But nowadays, if it ain't on
[10:00] camera, it didn't happened or, you know,
[10:03] so our deputies really do want the body
[10:06] cameras. Um, I support what they want.
[10:09] Yes, it is going to be a little more
[10:10] redaction, but with the AI tool and um
[10:14] getting Tiffany trained, um I think we
[10:17] can keep up with it and everything. So,
[10:20] any questions?
[10:22] >> Yep. Go ahead.
[10:23] >> Um how many uh squad cars are you
[10:26] looking at equipment?
[10:27] >> I think it's 20. It would be every squad
[10:31] car that we have on patrol.
[10:37] Week three is blocks integration into
[10:40] >> what's I'm sorry what
[10:41] >> three is block safeties integration
[10:44] >> yeah and we're not we're not doing the
[10:46] APRs or ALPS
[10:49] >> LPRs right but for 60 bucks a month for
[10:52] $15,000 extra a year it's not worth it
[10:55] it's so we're not in we're not in um
[10:59] including the LPRs in the video cameras
[11:05] John,
[11:06] >> can we uh make this in installments
[11:08] yearly or is it one big up?
[11:10] >> Nope. Correct. You can break it down
[11:12] however you want to break it. So it
[11:13] would be Yeah. And at the end of five
[11:15] years again just like anything else. All
[11:19] everybody that we've gotten bids from is
[11:20] gives you a five years. Everything
[11:22] nowadays has become a service package
[11:24] industry. So at the end of five years if
[11:27] we resign again just like in end of five
[11:30] and that's the thing with this package
[11:32] is if you go with it right now they lock
[11:33] in for five years but say if we only
[11:37] went with body cameras and squad cameras
[11:39] and then did tasers next year we just
[11:42] lost out on about $50,000 in savings. So
[11:46] but yes you can pay it every year once
[11:49] one installment a year.
[11:50] >> Okay. And then yeah at the end of five
[11:52] years if we decide to stay with them
[11:54] which we should they re they redo the
[11:57] equipment for us and everything. So it's
[12:00] continuously we always have new
[12:01] equipment at the end of 5 years.
[12:06] >> Uh two questions for you. Body cams. How
[12:09] many are those are you looking at?
[12:11] >> Um what do we got on here? I think we
[12:14] decided to potentially have our
[12:17] detectives have them. So I think we'd be
[12:19] up to
[12:21] 22.
[12:22] >> 22. So that would be about right. Yep.
[12:25] >> Sorry, am I missing?
[12:26] >> No, you're good.
[12:29] >> And then tasers the same or you going to
[12:32] do the jail as well or how does that
[12:34] work?
[12:34] >> No, this is a bid just for patrol.
[12:36] >> Okay.
[12:38] >> So, we're talking about 22 tasers then
[12:40] as well.
[12:41] >> 22 ta 25 or 26.
[12:44] >> Okay.
[12:47] >> Sorry. No, you're good.
[12:48] >> See that data there?
[13:00] And this there is this is a budget item.
[13:03] Is that correct? Or is this something in
[13:05] addition to what we already have
[13:07] budgeted?
[13:09] >> This would be in the CIP. I think
[13:10] there's a taser. I don't know if there
[13:12] was anything else. The cameras in there,
[13:15] >> but tasers
[13:16] >> were in there and a package.
[13:18] >> Yeah.
[13:19] >> [snorts]
[13:22] >> Mr. Chair, does this need full board
[13:23] approval as well?
[13:26] >> Absolutely.
[13:27] >> Does this item need full board approval
[13:29] or no?
[13:30] >> Yes,
[13:30] >> there's no action on
[13:32] >> Okay, so this is information. Got it.
[13:37] >> Any other questions?
[13:43] >> Thanks, Captain.
[13:44] >> Thank you.
[13:46] >> This one?
[13:49] This item [snorts] number seven,
[13:51] discussion of Axon package quote for
[13:54] Whoops. Discussion of intergovernmental
[13:57] cooperative agreement, Tremple, Buffalo,
[13:59] and Jackson counties.
[14:03] >> All right, Deputy Kyle Meyer will come
[14:05] up. Um [laughter]
[14:10] he worked really hard on getting this
[14:11] agreement put together and um he knows
[14:14] all the ins and outs so he'll be better
[14:16] equipped to answer your questions.
[14:18] >> Is red on or off? I don't know.
[14:21] >> Okay. [laughter]
[14:23] Um so yes, I am Kyle Meyer. I work for
[14:26] Sheriff Coxine, obviously standing here
[14:27] like this, but um I was put in a role in
[14:31] June that involves our evidence room and
[14:34] part of it that was added to it was um
[14:38] forensic analysis of technology. Um, so
[14:41] just a little backstory,
[14:44] we currently um have a couple of options
[14:47] when we get a search warrant for a phone
[14:49] or a computer in a internet crimes
[14:51] against children case or a large drug
[14:54] trafficking case. If we're able to get
[14:57] the combination or password to get into
[15:00] these devices, we can utilize a
[15:03] partnership with the Holman Police
[15:05] Department and have some things back in
[15:10] sometimes a couple weeks or a month or
[15:12] two. If these devices need to be
[15:15] cracked, so to speak, per the warrant,
[15:17] because we don't have that, we utilize
[15:20] the uh Department of Criminal
[15:22] Investigation, DCI, and send to one of a
[15:25] number of their analysts. And that takes
[15:28] us 12 to 18 months to get a return back
[15:32] on. So, one of the big problems that uh
[15:35] Sheriff Coxine wanted to address with
[15:37] telling me to find something to do with
[15:39] this was we've had internet crimes cases
[15:43] that have settled out in court before
[15:45] we've gotten the evidence back and
[15:47] realized how bad it was. So, um, I went
[15:51] looking and I received some bids to
[15:54] bring this these products inhouse to the
[15:58] tune of about 65 to $90,000 a year in
[16:02] subscriptions.
[16:04] Um, which [clears throat] was sounded
[16:06] pretty unsustainable. Um and then we
[16:11] were contacted by the city of Oaklair
[16:14] and Oaklair County who have a
[16:17] um
[16:18] computer forensics lab up there and they
[16:22] sell memberships to that. Um I think
[16:26] Sheriff Coxane went to uh a conference
[16:29] with Sheriff Waldera and at that time
[16:32] Sheriff Osmond from Jackson and Buffalo
[16:35] counties respectively and they said we'd
[16:37] like to be in this too. we have the same
[16:38] problems. So what's what this boil has
[16:41] boiled into is joining the computer
[16:45] forensic lab sharing an analyst
[16:49] um which will be myself for the time
[16:51] being and with that membership dumping
[16:54] all of the phones and sharing the costs.
[16:56] Um
[16:58] this is kind of just an overview. I
[16:59] don't have anything to hand out, but
[17:01] that's going to cost for the first year
[17:04] split up between the three counties
[17:06] about $8,000 each and then going forward
[17:10] about $5,000 per county per year, which
[17:13] is much more
[17:15] digestible than 65 to 90. And I guess
[17:19] just to add to the scale of the problem,
[17:21] um when we initially met with Sheriff
[17:23] Osman and Sheriff Waldera, they actually
[17:26] thought that splitting the $90,000 price
[17:29] tag three ways was worth it just to kind
[17:31] of add context to the stress that this
[17:34] problem adds. So, um, we are looking at
[17:37] being kind of ordained into that lab
[17:40] here this month with a start date of
[17:43] January 1 and, um, we're working on
[17:46] sharing some training costs so that, uh,
[17:48] we can get trained up and ready to go
[17:49] with that. Um, but if you guys have any
[17:52] questions about what specifically we do,
[17:54] um, or anything like that, I'll try my
[17:56] best. But I'm, uh, kind of the soldier
[17:59] that went out to start this and I don't
[18:00] have 20 years of experience or anything.
[18:03] So [laughter] um if if you need anything
[18:06] else please ask.
[18:07] >> Well you said uh the cost the other was
[18:10] like 90. This is far less far more
[18:12] feasible but does it in speed up this
[18:17] time table you had waiting before how
[18:20] fast?
[18:20] >> Yes. So what we'll get is 247 access to
[18:23] that lab up there. So if we have
[18:24] something important um we were lucky
[18:28] enough during an operation in August to
[18:30] have DCI on site with this technology
[18:33] and they dumped a phone in about 2 and
[18:35] 1/2 hours. So we gain the ability to get
[18:38] a phone back in a day if we really need
[18:40] it for something important that's
[18:41] happening versus an unknown amount of
[18:44] time based on a case load of of another
[18:46] lab.
[18:48] Did they project I'm sorry. Did they
[18:50] project any any [clears throat] average
[18:54] time frame that that the texts could get
[18:57] it back to you? Did they say, "Hey, you
[18:59] know, if we're really busy, it'll be 5
[19:01] days. If if we're not real busy, it'll
[19:03] be one day."
[19:04] >> Well, so maybe I wasn't clear enough.
[19:05] I'll be that tech. Um, we're sharing the
[19:08] training on that. And so we're going to
[19:11] come up with the logistics to gather
[19:13] phones and then on an incremental
[19:15] timeline for something that doesn't need
[19:17] to be so back back so soon, we might go
[19:20] up there a couple times a month, dump
[19:21] them all, distribute it back out to the
[19:23] investigators. But if we have something
[19:26] that is super urgent, you know, we'll
[19:29] get out of bed and get it done.
[19:30] >> Okay. So you'll be in charge. you'll be
[19:32] the person from Templo County that takes
[19:34] the device up
[19:36] >> and works with the tech up there as far
[19:38] as dumping it or they actually dump it
[19:40] there. Are you going to be certified?
[19:42] >> I will do it. So, the reason for the
[19:44] first year having about
[19:46] >> you know three to $4,000 a county more
[19:49] is when you join they have you buy a
[19:52] computer and that is my workstation up
[19:54] there. I can go up there anytime and sit
[19:56] down and say, "Yeah, I got to dump these
[19:58] four phones today and get them back out
[20:00] to detectives or or whatever is
[20:02] happening for that case."
[20:03] >> So, that'll be great as far as the court
[20:05] system goes because it's totally going
[20:07] to speed up the process for charging or
[20:09] not charging or whatever that
[20:11] >> and making sure we're accurate. Like I
[20:12] say, we we had one very frustrating CA
[20:14] case where the stuff came back super
[20:17] late and uh everything was settled out
[20:19] and because of double jeopardy, you're
[20:21] not going to go back and and try it
[20:23] again with what it should have been. So,
[20:24] we need to fix that. Um, and I guess the
[20:28] reason this is just kind of an overview,
[20:30] I'll let the sheriff speak to it if
[20:31] she'd like to, but I don't think we're
[20:32] going to be asking for any money. um th
[20:36] this is kind of a readjustment of of an
[20:39] investigation line item that's already
[20:41] in the budget. So,
[20:47] >> any other questions.
[20:51] >> All right. Thank you. Thank you.
[20:52] >> Thank you for your Thanks, Kyle.
[21:00] >> Discussion of Chipo of Valley Regional
[21:02] Forensics Lab. Is that that was
[21:04] reversed?
[21:05] >> That was involved in it. Okay.
[21:06] >> It's all part of it.
[21:08] >> Okay.
[21:08] >> Okay. Item number nine, discussion
[21:10] regarding surveillance technology
[21:12] oversight of automated plate readers
[21:14] with possible action to immediately
[21:17] cover and decommission the cameras while
[21:19] further research is conducted and a
[21:21] comprehensive surveillance technology
[21:23] policy is developed.
[21:27] >> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can't
[21:28] connect to Zoom. Um, I do have a
[21:30] presentation, uh, but Zoom isn't on, so
[21:32] I'm just going to walk through it here
[21:33] with you. Uh, I did receive logs, uh,
[21:37] very redacted logs, um, from the sheriff
[21:40] to review. And here's kind of what I
[21:43] here's what I found. These are the
[21:44] numbers. Uh, there were 1,276,88
[21:49] searches of our three cameras in 90
[21:51] days.
[21:53] There were 3,491
[21:56] outside agencies that used our cameras
[21:59] and 90% of them weren't in Wisconsin.
[22:03] Um,
[22:05] I'm not anti police and this isn't about
[22:07] solving crime. This is about we have no
[22:09] policy in place and these are just
[22:10] popping up and we have no oversight to
[22:12] them and I'm that I've been asking for
[22:15] unredacted logs. I simply can't get
[22:18] them.
[22:19] I'm going to go down here. So, some of
[22:21] these searches, uh, that averages 14,023
[22:24] [clears throat]
[22:26] uses of our three cameras
[22:29] every single day in Trenolo County. So,
[22:33] when the when the young woman got up and
[22:35] asked about the Chevy Traverse thing,
[22:38] that's happened to all of us now.
[22:40] [clears throat]
[22:41] Um, there are 204 Wisconsin agencies
[22:44] that actually used our stuff. The number
[22:46] one user was the Texas Department of
[22:48] Public Safety. They used our cameras in
[22:50] 90 days 40,595
[22:54] times. Houston, Texas Police Department,
[22:57] 32,000.
[22:59] Dallas, 22,000.
[23:02] And I can go on, but I want to get to
[23:04] some more. Like the K12 public education
[23:06] system in Georgia that has been
[23:08] searching our cameras in the US Virgin
[23:10] Islands.
[23:12] 67,000 of the searches, only 65% of them
[23:15] actually had a reason for the search. Of
[23:18] the 1.2 2 million. 65.9% of them did.
[23:22] Traffic infraction was number one. And
[23:24] get this, city planning and traffic
[23:25] analysis was the second most used search
[23:29] feature of our cameras.
[23:32] Welfare check and then other 37. I don't
[23:34] know what that means, but those were the
[23:37] top five searches that it was used for.
[23:40] We had 82 colleges and universities.
[23:44] University of Iowa, Florida State,
[23:46] Clemson, Penn State, Springfield
[23:48] College. Search our cameras. 82
[23:51] different universities 3562
[23:54] times. 12 K12 12 K12 school districts.
[24:01] Cypress Fairbanks Independent School
[24:03] District in Texas ran 143 searches on
[24:07] our cameras and the Buford City Schools
[24:09] in Georgia ran 20.
[24:12] hospitals. Cleveland Clinic
[24:14] is running searches on our cameras
[24:17] monthly.
[24:18] UT Southwestern, and the University of
[24:20] Mississippi Medical Center is also
[24:22] running regular searches on our cameras.
[24:26] DFW airport, the Houston Metro Police,
[24:29] the Dallas Rapid Transit, all made 5,817
[24:34] searches in 90 days on Trampolo County
[24:37] cameras.
[24:39] So, if we're taking a look at it, the
[24:41] county used it 138 times
[24:46] or whatever it was during the that I'm
[24:47] sorry, I'm on the wrong slide here. I
[24:49] wish I had it up there. I have dyslexia,
[24:50] so it's a little hard for me to follow
[24:52] my own stuff at times.
[24:54] 138 searches of the county's networks,
[24:57] get this, by the US Virgin Islands
[24:59] searching for a stolen RV.
[25:02] A federally managed territory that,
[25:05] yeah, they have a governor, they have a
[25:07] House and Senate, but it's just like DC.
[25:09] It's a show. They're managed by the
[25:10] Department of Interior, by the Congress.
[25:13] We have a Caribbean territory
[25:16] making 138 searches.
[25:20] Here's the best part of our contract.
[25:24] Section 4.1. This company says it's
[25:27] right there in the contract. 4.1. Read
[25:30] it yourself. Customer, which is us,
[25:32] hereby grants to, this is after they say
[25:35] we own the data. The next sentence,
[25:37] customer hereby grants to the particular
[25:40] company, a limited, non-exclusive,
[25:42] royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual,
[25:45] worldwide license to use and disclose
[25:48] customer data provided from this
[25:51] company's services.
[25:53] and use customer data to support and
[25:56] improve the company's products and
[25:58] services. Even with all the changes this
[26:00] particular company made right on their
[26:03] website, they left that in there.
[26:05] They're not giving that up. So, when we
[26:08] say that our data is gone or it's local
[26:11] and it's saved, how can anyone guarantee
[26:14] that when the Virgin Islands is
[26:17] searching our cameras? when you can
[26:19] download data directly from it from
[26:21] anyone who searched it.
[26:25] Here's another part of the contract that
[26:27] I think has been a hold up and I think
[26:29] why I've faced so much resistance. We
[26:31] specifically agreed to this quote,
[26:33] "Customer is not permitted to remove,
[26:35] reposition, reinstall camera with,
[26:39] alter, adjust, or otherwise take
[26:41] possession of the hardware. We own the
[26:44] pole. We own the land. We don't own the
[26:47] camera. That's why they get turned back
[26:49] on. It's a lease and that's why cities
[26:53] have covered them.
[26:55] We're at a critical point. This
[26:57] committee is we don't have any way to
[26:59] govern the system.
[27:02] And if we don't give notice by October
[27:05] 14th
[27:07] or whatever it is, our contract will
[27:09] automatically renew for two years.
[27:13] That is in the contract.
[27:15] And so what I'm asking this committee
[27:17] today is just this went up without much
[27:21] notice.
[27:24] They're still up and we have the Virgin
[27:27] Islands and K12 schools using our
[27:29] cameras.
[27:30] I'm asking that we simply cover them
[27:33] immediately and send in notice and when
[27:36] this committee develops a policy on how
[27:39] to govern this stuff, we can revisit
[27:43] reactivating them.
[27:46] It's uh
[27:49] in Shbboen just this week the mayor was
[27:53] approached by this particular company
[27:55] who tried to sell him five years of
[27:57] traffic analysis in his city from his
[28:00] cameras.
[28:01] He covered them that night because he
[28:03] didn't even know that that was capable.
[28:06] The problem is with this technology it
[28:09] updates. It runs on Android. it up
[28:12] updates as a security patch and you get
[28:14] new features.
[28:17] We're in a there's one Wisconsin city, I
[28:19] can't say their name because that would
[28:20] lead to the vendor, but they signed a
[28:23] 5-year agreement. They paid $197,000.
[28:26] They went out, but they can't get out
[28:28] now for less than $100,000.
[28:30] It's $100,91 is what they've got to pay
[28:33] to get out of this contract.
[28:36] Our exposure, yeah, we pay 9,000 a year,
[28:38] not 50. I get that. But you know what?
[28:40] it's going to auto renew and we don't
[28:42] have a policy in place to protect
[28:44] citizens.
[28:46] This is the only window we have to do
[28:48] something for the people that we serve.
[28:51] I could go on.
[28:53] 186 as of yesterday, 186 jurisdictions
[28:56] have canceled their contract with Flock
[28:58] nationwide.
[29:00] And as you've seen, they're coming down
[29:03] with the ALPR vendor nationwide.
[29:06] And they're coming down everywhere. 86
[29:09] officers have been arrested for misuse.
[29:13] 12 here in Wisconsin. We lead the nation
[29:17] in arrests for misuse. That doesn't mean
[29:21] the system works. That means that
[29:23] citizens caught him
[29:26] and for the safeguards.
[29:30] Look, there was in Milwaukee the
[29:33] internal affairs officer charged with
[29:35] investigating an officer for misuse was
[29:38] arrested for misusing the same system
[29:40] himself.
[29:44] The number one reason that's given of
[29:48] course investigation
[29:50] almost no case numbers
[29:53] and this just happened in Fondelac
[29:55] County and Winnebago [clears throat]
[29:56] County because this particular vendor
[29:59] owns the cameras for the contract.
[30:02] We actually had to give out public
[30:05] information to individuals seeking it in
[30:08] other states.
[30:10] So in other states, if they submitted,
[30:13] how many times was my car searched? And
[30:15] they went past a camera here, we had to
[30:18] turn that information over to someone.
[30:22] Our data, our citizens. Here's some
[30:24] people who've canceled recently. The
[30:26] Racing County Sheriff's Office, Fondelac
[30:28] County Sheriff's Office, Wnebago County
[30:30] Sheriff's Office, Shabboan, Kenosha,
[30:34] Dayne County, Verona, Manona, Fitchburg,
[30:37] Appleton, Ashkosh, Sturgeon Bay,
[30:39] Stottton, W Madison, Nina, Manasha. I
[30:41] could go on.
[30:44] I could go on.
[30:46] I'm not asking I'm not trying to inhibit
[30:48] police work. I'm trying to establish a
[30:51] policy to protect the rights of the
[30:53] people in this county.
[30:58] So, I got to say when they say that we
[31:01] only keep the data for 30 days, they
[31:03] reduce that to seven days. That makes it
[31:05] harder for me to catch people when I
[31:07] only have seven days of an officer's
[31:09] pattern analysis to look at. I can't
[31:12] prove anything. At 30 days, I could. And
[31:16] how is it deleted if 3,941
[31:20] agencies searched our cameras? How can
[31:22] anyone tell me that our data is not
[31:25] downloaded by god knows who?
[31:30] We just need a policy. It's got to be
[31:33] comprehensive and it's got to protect
[31:34] our citizens and it's got to work for
[31:36] the sheriff.
[31:37] So, I've listed all my sources here. I'd
[31:40] be happy to email this around to the
[31:42] committee.
[31:43] I have more here, but I do want to make
[31:45] a motion to immediately cover these
[31:47] cameras at the direction of the county
[31:50] administrator until we have a policy in
[31:53] place. And I do believe that it's in our
[31:56] best interest of the county to cancel
[31:58] have corporation council cancel our
[31:59] contract until we have it in place.
[32:03] With that,
[32:05] that's all I got.
[32:06] >> Okay.
[32:07] >> Question.
[32:07] >> Yes, sir.
[32:08] >> My turn. Is that okay? Discussion. I
[32:10] well at the moment there's a motion on
[32:12] the floor. Whether there's a second or
[32:14] not is the next question and then we can
[32:16] have
[32:17] >> So my motion is to immediately cover
[32:19] decommission and give notice on the
[32:21] contract. Yes.
[32:22] >> Can I can I interject something here? I
[32:25] [clears throat] think we would have to
[32:26] make a recommendation to the sheriff to
[32:28] do that. I don't think we
[32:33] >> correct me if I'm wrong.
[32:34] >> Um that is we can discuss that piece to
[32:37] it. Um, but there is I there's still a
[32:40] motion and we still need a second.
[32:46] >> For the sake of the motion or for the
[32:49] sake of discussion, I'll second that
[32:51] motion.
[32:51] >> Okay.
[32:53] >> Thank you.
[32:55] How's the discussion? So, if I may
[32:58] answer the chair's question, as we
[33:00] discussed, we uh in previous matters,
[33:03] the sheriff as a constitutional officer
[33:05] is unique uh among all of the different
[33:08] law officers is different than a police
[33:10] officer, different than a police chief.
[33:12] There is there are constitutional
[33:14] rights. The amount, as I understand it,
[33:16] has been uh budgeted for. The sheriff
[33:19] could uh certainly decide to cover that.
[33:22] This committee could make a
[33:23] recommendation to do that, but it would
[33:27] be ultimately up to the sheriff for the
[33:29] next four months.
[33:33] >> So, do I need to change that to
[33:35] recommend?
[33:37] >> You could change your motion to
[33:38] recommend.
[33:40] >> If that's all I can do, then I will make
[33:42] a motion to recommend. I'll amend that
[33:45] to recommend the sheriff cover them. I
[33:49] have concerns still though about the
[33:50] contract autorenewing.
[33:52] >> Um
[33:53] >> I do have that and I I um if I may
[33:56] chair, I'm sorry.
[33:57] >> Yes.
[33:57] >> So I actually have that language ahead
[33:59] of time uh up in front of me and I'm
[34:01] aware of there is an autorenew
[34:03] provision. That is accurate. It's a
[34:04] 30-day notice of non-renewal. And what
[34:07] it says is this agreement will
[34:09] automatically renew for successive
[34:10] renewal terms of greater of one year or
[34:13] length set forth on the order form
[34:16] unless each party gives the other party
[34:17] a notice of non-renewal at least 30 uh
[34:20] days prior to the end of the then
[34:22] current term. So we have just a little
[34:25] bit more time. Um certainly it's
[34:28] something that needs to be reviewed by
[34:29] the end of the year but that would be uh
[34:32] late November essentially
[34:33] >> late November.
[34:34] >> That's [clears throat] when the contract
[34:36] renews. Correct.
[34:37] >> I believe the contract renews uh January
[34:39] 1st. I don't know what position
[34:41] >> I have it here.
[34:42] >> End of December.
[34:43] >> Yes. So,
[34:45] >> so we'd have to count it back.
[34:49] >> It's not when it's signed. It's when the
[34:51] contract term still discussed
[34:54] >> and so
[34:54] >> Okay. So, you're not going from the date
[34:56] it was signed for two years,
[34:57] >> right? It again, it's the end of the
[35:00] then current term. So, it's we're still
[35:03] getting very close to the same amount of
[35:04] time, but I just want to clarify that
[35:06] piece.
[35:06] >> The time is running out, basically. So,
[35:08] Susan, what motion can I make?
[35:10] >> You can make a motion to recommend uh
[35:13] the covering uh and anything else. It's
[35:16] just a recommendation regarding the
[35:17] sheriff's office.
[35:18] >> Okay. Then, that's my motion
[35:20] recommending that we we
[35:24] request the sheriff to cover them and
[35:25] decommission them before they auto
[35:27] renew. Is that what I'm saying?
[35:29] >> I think so. And then Okay,
[35:31] >> I'll second that.
[35:32] >> Okay.
[35:33] >> All right.
[35:34] >> Recommended.
[35:35] >> Well, further research is conducted and
[35:38] comprehensive surveillance technology
[35:40] policies developed. You want is that
[35:42] going to be in there?
[35:44] >> Ron, I'm going to go. Mr. Chair, I I I
[35:48] if that's all if that's as far as I can
[35:49] go is making a recommendation until the
[35:52] budget. That's that's I I personally
[35:54] would cover it on my drive home if I
[35:55] could.
[35:56] >> So, I'm going to pull this back just a
[35:58] little bit. So because the I think the
[36:01] motion is trying to cover a lot of
[36:02] different pieces. We have the policies
[36:04] that's that's something that you this is
[36:07] a policym board or committee. So that's
[36:10] a separate issue. Um the contract and
[36:13] the financial piece there are different
[36:15] pieces to that. Uh the contract is going
[36:18] to expire in a couple months period. Um
[36:21] but the renewal is something that we can
[36:24] review. We can review it in in budget uh
[36:26] discussions as well. The covering of the
[36:29] cameras is where the recommendation is.
[36:32] >> That's my motion then is to recommend
[36:35] covering
[36:36] >> of the cameras until a comprehensive
[36:39] policy is in place.
[36:41] >> Okay.
[36:42] >> Chair, uh, sheriff, do we have any
[36:45] policy within the sheriff's department
[36:47] as far as cameras?
[36:51] >> We do. You do.
[36:52] >> It is on the website, the county website
[36:54] as well.
[36:55] >> Okay. And we have taken down nationwide
[36:57] access as of and I'm sure Captain
[36:59] Shinski probably has a more specific
[37:02] date of when we um took off the
[37:04] nationwide access. So our cameras are
[37:07] only accessed by state of Wisconsin.
[37:09] >> No.
[37:10] >> Okay. So and that was done recently?
[37:13] >> No, we did that
[37:14] >> July probably.
[37:16] >> Yeah. Mr. Parish had brought up some
[37:18] concerns which we
[37:19] >> Okay,
[37:20] >> that saw it.
[37:20] >> Fair. Okay. This is a constantly
[37:22] evolving discussion. Oh, absolutely.
[37:24] >> Trying to do the right thing and keep
[37:26] >> absolutely
[37:27] >> a tool.
[37:29] If I can call on
[37:30] >> Oh, I'm sorry. [laughter]
[37:33] >> So So Sheriff, the the access is limited
[37:37] now to Wisconsin only. Correct. That's
[37:40] that's what you're saying. So can
[37:43] nationwide searches be done with our
[37:45] cameras then since we have now accessed
[37:49] it only to Wisconsin?
[37:51] Captain Shinski. I'll have him come up
[37:53] again. He does our audits every month on
[37:56] the system. So,
[37:57] >> thank you. If you want, Andy, I can
[37:58] share that with you, too. So, yes,
[38:00] middle of July, Sheriff Coxing, when I
[38:02] got back from vacation, talked about
[38:04] some of Mr. Parish's concerns. We looked
[38:06] into it. We saw some of the stuff, too.
[38:09] So we did July 14th, 15th somewhere in
[38:12] there shut off to just the state of
[38:14] Wisconsin and
[38:17] Winona
[38:20] and I think Wabasha Shaw just because we
[38:23] share a border with them right now.
[38:24] They're one of our closest. Um, I just
[38:27] did the audit yesterday and it's
[38:31] 28,000
[38:34] searches that were done in the month of
[38:37] August for the state of Wisconsin. So,
[38:40] but again
[38:41] >> on our cameras
[38:41] >> on our cameras. Yes. Yep. So, and so
[38:45] with that continued, um,
[38:49] so now we've limited it to this scope
[38:52] and we had some 20ome,000 that were that
[38:55] were taken only from Wisconsin,
[38:58] >> correct?
[38:58] >> And Minnesota, those two counties.
[39:00] >> I think some of the new um procedures
[39:04] now is you have to have a case number.
[39:06] All agencies have to have a case number
[39:09] in there.
[39:11] We've even went so far, this was several
[39:13] months ago, that when one of our users
[39:15] uses it, it says right there, I affirm
[39:18] that I am doing this under the, you
[39:21] know, with not violating somebody's
[39:23] constitution. So, they know that this is
[39:25] a big deal. Um, and but yeah, I think
[39:28] Flock Kid changed now. You have to have
[39:30] a case number and we had even put it out
[39:32] to our people that try to put a case,
[39:35] make sure a case number is in there,
[39:37] >> you know. So,
[39:38] >> and so 11,000 or I'm sorry, we had 11
[39:42] officers charged in Wisconsin out of the
[39:44] 13,354
[39:46] law enforcements in Wisconsin. So,
[39:49] that's that's the percentage. So, the
[39:51] percentage would be 0.0000
[39:54] whatever it happens to be. So, and we
[39:57] have an ordinance in effect to go ahead
[40:00] or I'm sorry, a policy in effect to go
[40:02] ahead and make sure that people are, you
[40:05] know, charged if necessary for violating
[40:08] anything that they would do with the
[40:11] flock cameras that we are discussing
[40:14] today. Um,
[40:17] which is correct. Correct.
[40:19] >> Correct. It's it's any type of record
[40:21] that we have in our department, let
[40:23] alone the cameras. And how many how many
[40:26] arrests do you know that we did in 2026
[40:30] so far as a result of the use of flat
[40:32] cameras
[40:34] >> approximately?
[40:36] I
[40:36] >> I think I really don't know. I maybe I
[40:38] mean I can think of three or four right
[40:40] off hand, but I mean that we've utilized
[40:43] it. Yeah,
[40:43] >> I think the presentation show so show
[40:45] showed seven if I remember correctly.
[40:48] And then um but we don't know how many
[40:53] how many crimes were were prevented by
[40:57] the use of the flot cameras. In other
[40:59] words, people not coming into your city
[41:02] that has flat cameras because you have
[41:05] them and they know they have them and
[41:08] therefore who's going to be crazy enough
[41:10] to go ahead and commit a crime when the
[41:12] flack cameras are there? Correct.
[41:14] >> That's anecdotally.
[41:16] No,
[41:17] >> no, I don't know any of that. So,
[41:20] >> okay. So, um So, that would make sense
[41:25] though, correct? As far as it would be a
[41:28] crime deterrent. It's for crime. It's it
[41:31] I'm sorry. It's a deterrent from
[41:34] preventing crime. That's what it's being
[41:37] used for as well. Correct.
[41:38] >> I would maybe think so. I mean,
[41:41] >> public safety.
[41:42] >> Public safety. Yes. For us. So, it's
[41:44] it's for public safety.
[41:47] >> And we had a total of
[41:51] over 3,000
[41:53] Trepo County residents voted in the
[41:56] election for Sheriff Cox and uh uh
[42:02] Mr. doll who was running and though both
[42:06] those both those both uh ran on keeping
[42:11] flat count cameras within the counties.
[42:15] So in my opinion, you have 3,000
[42:18] residents that support the use of flot
[42:21] cameras in this county because they
[42:24] voted for either sheriff who came out
[42:27] and publicly stated that they would keep
[42:30] flat cameras.
[42:32] So,
[42:34] >> you had your hand up.
[42:35] >> Yes. Uh, Mr. Chair, I I was just going
[42:37] to acknowledge that our contract
[42:39] specifically says with Gailsville that
[42:42] any agency with six or more cameras has
[42:46] access whether we cut it off or not. It
[42:49] specifically says from Sheriff Simmonson
[42:52] to Tom Thatcher,
[42:54] any agency with six or more can see it.
[42:59] And that's how Flock advertises as well
[43:02] right on their site. I'm not
[43:06] >> Yeah.
[43:06] >> Um Sheriff, we currently the Trump
[43:10] County owns three. Is that correct?
[43:13] >> Correct. Okay. Okay. The other piece is
[43:15] is um
[43:18] I understand the concern um that
[43:22] Supervisor Parish has been discussing. I
[43:25] also know that
[43:28] the majority of the people that I see or
[43:31] I've talked to feel safer
[43:34] because if something happens,
[43:38] you have the ability to
[43:43] see and and find. And so
[43:49] the bulk of the people that I have
[43:50] contacted me are in support of keeping
[43:53] the fly cameras. They feel safer. It's a
[43:56] tool in the toolbox for the public
[43:59] safety, the sheriff and the police
[44:01] department. So
[44:04] >> that's been my experience as well with
[44:07] public contact.
[44:08] >> But also with the nationwide access, it
[44:10] is true that if you have six cameras,
[44:13] you get free nationwide access. And
[44:15] originally our contract was for six
[44:16] cameras,
[44:17] >> okay?
[44:18] >> And we opted not to go with the three
[44:20] more, okay,
[44:21] >> that were originally discussed.
[44:23] >> So we will only be sticking with the
[44:25] three.
[44:26] >> Okay.
[44:27] >> And we turned off the nationwide access,
[44:29] which we were allowed to have because we
[44:31] were originally going to have six
[44:32] cameras.
[44:34] >> Oh, go ahead.
[44:36] >> One more, I promise. Um, so what what is
[44:40] the data that's actually coming out
[44:44] that shares with the other communities?
[44:47] Is it just the plate number itself or is
[44:50] it a full detailed description? Uh, John
[44:54] Smith uh was driving a 72 Honda Civic
[44:59] four-door license plate number dot dot
[45:01] dot dot dot.
[45:02] >> It is the plate.
[45:03] >> So, okay. That's not what is.
[45:07] >> We would have to take another step and
[45:08] run it through our dispatch center to
[45:11] come back with the owner of the vehicle
[45:13] and any of that information.
[45:14] >> Sure.
[45:16] >> Sure.
[45:16] >> Sorry.
[45:18] >> Hold on,
[45:19] Mr. Mr. Chairman, if I could just
[45:21] respond to that. Um, flock themselves or
[45:24] the ALPR vendor themselves, they don't
[45:26] hide the answer to that. They say yes
[45:28] that you can actually that on their
[45:30] homepage they have an image of a person
[45:33] with the GPS coordinates that they found
[45:37] him and the closest address right on
[45:40] their website by a description.
[45:44] And the reason that people are covering
[45:47] them up like Shabboan is they've
[45:50] realized that they don't own the camera.
[45:52] They rent the software. and any agency,
[45:55] even if they cut the outside access off
[45:58] that has six or more cameras, still has
[46:01] access to it. I've been trying to get
[46:03] logs from the sheriff's office since
[46:06] July to make sure they were turned off,
[46:08] and I can't get them. I'm just asking
[46:13] that we simply put a pause before this
[46:16] auto renews, and we have real safeguards
[46:19] in place. And if the committee decides
[46:21] to reinstall them, then so be it. But
[46:25] this is new rapid technology with
[46:28] nothing [clears throat] in place.
[46:35] >> Anybody else have any more questions or
[46:37] comments?
[46:39] >> I would I would actually like to see our
[46:41] policy from the sheriff's office that we
[46:44] have now.
[46:44] >> It's on the website.
[46:46] >> It's on the website.
[46:47] >> Yes. Y
[46:47] >> under the sheriff's. Okay.
[46:49] >> Yep. Yep.
[46:55] >> I guess if I could say something, I
[46:59] >> I don't completely disagree with
[47:02] anything you're saying. I think the fact
[47:04] that uh we have a small window here
[47:08] before it auto renewals.
[47:11] I think having everything set where we
[47:15] need to have it set is not out of the
[47:17] question. not
[47:20] not stretching it at all. I think it
[47:23] would probably be better for everybody,
[47:26] those are for it, those are against it,
[47:28] if we could get it so that we had the
[47:30] exact answers for everybody
[47:33] and we have that time before the renewal
[47:36] comes in.
[47:39] So, I I I'm not actually against this at
[47:43] all. I think that
[47:45] >> Thank you. I think that is a fair
[47:49] thing and if they decide at that time
[47:51] that yes, we want it, we have it, we're
[47:53] going to go forward with it, we're only
[47:55] talking about a couple of months
[47:58] and I think we could probably get that
[48:00] done in a couple of months so that we
[48:03] have as many answers for it as everybody
[48:06] would have those answers.
[48:09] >> That's just my own feelings. I I'm not
[48:12] saying no. I don't ever want I I just
[48:14] want this to be so that we have it set
[48:18] the way we need to have it set.
[48:21] And if that takes two months to do that,
[48:23] I think that's a pretty small price to
[48:26] pay to take that look.
[48:28] >> Yes, sir.
[48:29] >> I would just interact too that the
[48:32] sheriff has the authority here.
[48:33] >> Yes. I mean we we are just
[48:36] >> we know that that's why that's why the
[48:38] >> sheriff has the total authority here to
[48:40] decide what she wants to do
[48:41] >> recommendation was the was the the
[48:43] motion
[48:45] I know we can't do it
[48:47] >> right
[48:48] >> so what additional oh I'm sorry
[48:51] >> yes go ahead
[48:52] >> so we do have a policy in place what
[48:55] additional
[48:57] is would this group do
[49:00] >> well I think the thing like you said
[49:02] there's if they have six cameras, they
[49:04] can still get in.
[49:06] >> But we don't have six cameras.
[49:08] >> But anyone who has six cameras
[49:10] >> Yeah.
[49:11] >> still gets in whether we turn it off or
[49:13] not. If you have less than six cameras,
[49:15] you can't when we turn it off.
[49:17] >> But I think we signed up for
[49:19] >> captain or is he a captain?
[49:22] >> Yes, ma'am.
[49:23] >> I have a question for you.
[49:27] So with the settings you have now
[49:32] a nationwide search cannot be conducted
[49:35] on our cameras. Is that correct?
[49:37] >> Correct. Not the audit.
[49:39] >> Nothing is
[49:39] >> No. The audit
[49:40] >> has not been a nationwide search in
[49:42] August.
[49:42] >> Correct.
[49:49] >> So I guess I don't I mean I'm all for
[49:52] policy and protecting people. Uh don't
[49:54] get me wrong. But
[49:58] if we've if we've done every not
[50:01] everything, but if we've done what we
[50:03] need to do to secure and to protect our
[50:07] citizens,
[50:08] that's my question. I don't mind taking
[50:10] the two months and I I would say leave
[50:13] them up and let's work on the project.
[50:15] Let's work on the policy, whatever that
[50:16] is. But it's got to come out of the
[50:18] sheriff's office,
[50:19] >> right?
[50:22] I think that that that is why Mr.
[50:25] Parish's motion said to recommend if we
[50:28] do that and
[50:31] like I said, whatever that decision is
[50:33] and what's going to do as far as moving
[50:35] forward, there's to me there's still
[50:38] there's still things I don't know the
[50:40] real answers to. I'm hearing
[50:43] conflicting reports on a lot of this
[50:45] stuff. Whether they can still get in or
[50:47] not,
[50:49] I I don't know. Do you know the answer,
[50:51] Erica? Can
[50:54] >> well again deferring to Captain
[50:57] Trazinski who does my audits.
[51:00] >> Nobody nobody else can get in. Are these
[51:05] >> I guess
[51:05] >> just the ones that we have authorized.
[51:08] So, and it's just the ones in the state
[51:10] of Wisconsin and the two Minnesota or
[51:12] three Minnesota.
[51:13] >> That's it.
[51:14] >> Yes.
[51:14] >> So, aren't
[51:16] >> Yes.
[51:16] >> Captain, are we still sharing our data
[51:18] with Lowe's?
[51:20] Lowe's Home Department Store. That was
[51:22] in the onboarding email where it said
[51:24] sharing with Lowe's Home Department
[51:25] Store complete. Are we still sharing
[51:27] with them?
[51:28] >> No. Why? Why would we? I don't think we
[51:30] ever did.
[51:31] >> We You sure
[51:32] >> were them in an audit? I never seen
[51:34] Lowe's in an audit.
[51:35] >> They're they're in um the onboarding
[51:37] email from Flock Safety to Sheriff
[51:39] Simeon saying Lowe's sharing has been
[51:42] complete.
[51:43] >> The onboarding I was not here. I was not
[51:46] the captain at that time. a while. But I
[51:48] can just tell you, Mr. Parish, what I
[51:50] just saw on the audit yesterday, just
[51:53] state of Wisconsin.
[51:59] >> That's that's that's wonderful. I'm glad
[52:01] at least it's actually I don't like any
[52:03] of them. I appreciate you doing that.
[52:05] Um, I can tell you that from my audits
[52:08] that you gave me, uh, some of the search
[52:10] reasons before they were redacted were
[52:12] Department of Homeland Security request,
[52:15] ICE request,
[52:16] >> there should not be ICE request. ICE
[52:18] that's been turned off, too.
[52:20] >> That that has now been turned off, but
[52:22] from
[52:22] >> Oh, that was turned off quite a while
[52:23] ago.
[52:24] >> Then then we have a significant problem
[52:26] because they're sitting here in the logs
[52:27] that I'm looking at from April 1st to um
[52:31] July June 31st.
[52:33] >> Okay. When I took it over, when I took
[52:35] it over, yes, the
[52:38] >> all the federal ICE stuff should have
[52:40] been taken off.
[52:42] >> Racine County in April, April 1st
[52:44] through April 14th conducted searches on
[52:46] our cameras.
[52:47] >> Okay. Rine County
[52:48] >> for ice and DHS requests and that was
[52:52] the reason put in the log. It's April
[52:54] 1st, starts at 8:41 in the morning, goes
[52:57] through April 14th.
[52:58] >> Okay. But they did their search through
[52:59] a scene county,
[53:01] >> but they hit our cameras.
[53:02] >> Okay.
[53:04] But Racine did that. And in the reason
[53:06] field, I'm looking at it. It says ICE
[53:08] immigration DHS request and our cameras
[53:10] were hit.
[53:13] That's the problem I'm trying to solve
[53:16] is how do we get a hold of this in
[53:18] control of it?
[53:19] >> Sounds like they already have. They've
[53:21] done what they can do. What more do you
[53:23] want? I I guess
[53:25] >> that this discussion is much bigger than
[53:28] the three cameras in Tumble County. Um,
[53:32] we all know that if we go to Walmart,
[53:37] any um, shopping, they have the same
[53:41] cameras. Would you agree?
[53:43] >> Some of them. Yes. Some of them, some of
[53:45] some of the department stores now do.
[53:46] Yeah.
[53:47] >> Yes. And so it's a much bigger issue
[53:48] than just
[53:50] so for us to I mean, we have a policy.
[53:54] We aren't going to sol I don't know how
[53:55] we solve I can't control what another
[53:58] state does or another county does. We
[54:00] know what Tumble County does. That's
[54:02] what we're responsible for.
[54:04] >> I would respectfully just remind you
[54:05] that our residents are the ones being
[54:07] searched and the residents are the ones
[54:10] that we are giving an irrevocable
[54:12] perpetual worldwide license to use as
[54:16] the company sees fit. I don't think our
[54:19] residents signed up for a royalty
[54:22] perpetual worldwide license for their
[54:25] image.
[54:32] Mr. Chairman, my motion's on the floor.
[54:34] You can call a vote anytime you want.
[54:36] >> Okay.
[54:37] >> Anybody else has any comments? Okay.
[54:41] Do a roll call or you want to do a
[54:44] >> uh it's it's up to you. You don't have
[54:47] to do a roll call. If you choose to do a
[54:49] roll call, you certainly can.
[54:53] >> And this is for a recommendation
[54:55] to get this
[54:57] taken care of so that we are set at.
[55:00] >> So my understanding of the motion
[55:04] is that it was a a recommendation to the
[55:08] sheriff to cover the county's uh three
[55:11] cameras.
[55:12] >> Y
[55:13] >> and I believe that's what Supervisor
[55:14] Austin had seconded. Correct. Just
[55:18] wanted to
[55:20] >> Okay.
[55:21] >> And I would like a roll call vote if I
[55:23] can request one.
[55:25] >> Okay.
[55:26] Supervisor Parish,
[55:27] >> yes.
[55:28] >> Supervisor Leonard,
[55:30] >> no.
[55:30] >> Supervisor Austin,
[55:32] >> yes.
[55:33] >> Supervisor Husby,
[55:34] >> no.
[55:35] >> Supervisor Johnson, yes.
[55:39] >> I I just feel that
[55:43] we need more information before we can
[55:45] continue on with the possible
[55:48] >> extension.
[55:50] No, [cheering and applause] don't.
[55:54] >> So, the motion passed.
[55:58] Now, does this go to the county board?
[56:01] >> No. No, it goes to
[56:02] >> the sheriff.
[56:03] >> The sheriff.
[56:04] >> And the sheriff can do what she wants,
[56:06] >> right?
[56:10] >> Okay. I got a letter here.
[56:16] Correspondence letter from Strum,
[56:20] July 24th of 2026. I was supposed to
[56:23] read it at the last law enforcement
[56:24] meeting, but I forgot to bring it. I'm
[56:26] sorry.
[56:28] I would like to thank Toloa County for
[56:30] allowing the Strum and Aliva Police
[56:32] Departments to access these two deputies
[56:35] for training purposes. They have been a
[56:38] great asset to our department in helping
[56:39] us accomplish our statemandated handgun
[56:42] qualification shoots. In a time where
[56:45] fund finding quality employees is at a
[56:47] premium, the Tremple County Sheriff's
[56:50] Department has found two and should be
[56:52] very proud that they have such highly
[56:54] qualified and caring employees. I look
[56:57] forward to working with them in the
[56:58] future for the betterment of the
[56:59] community. If you have any questions,
[57:01] you can contact me at your convenience.
[57:04] Chief Craig M Marcalik, Strum Police
[57:06] Department, Aliva Police Department, and
[57:09] the deputies are Josiah Vote and Deputy
[57:13] Ross Husam.
[57:15] They were helping them out in their
[57:20] shooting, I believe, training or
[57:23] training
[57:27] mandated hand mandated handgun.
[57:30] >> Yep. So, thanks to both of those guys
[57:33] and the chair's department.
[57:38] Discussion and possible action on
[57:40] monthly department and jail activities,
[57:42] concerns, discussion of general
[57:44] operations.
[57:53] All right. Um, just working on again
[57:56] staffing. Um we are in backgrounds with
[58:01] two jailers which would bring us fully
[58:03] staffed in the jail and we have one
[58:07] deputy
[58:09] starting field training and a couple
[58:11] more in backgrounds.
[58:14] Last week of September, first part of
[58:15] October, we'll be adding six bunks in
[58:17] the jail. Should take a week to install,
[58:20] sand, paint, and let cure.
[58:23] And right now we're sitting at about 70
[58:26] inmates with eight from the Department
[58:28] of Corrections. Um, six from Buffalo,
[58:31] one from Chipoa, and we got our first
[58:32] Buffalo inmate back. So, we're slowly
[58:34] building that
[58:35] >> back up. So,
[58:37] that's all I have.
[58:38] >> Good. Good to see them back.
[58:41] >> Yeah, we're getting
[58:42] >> Yeah, it is [laughter] good. It is good.
[58:46] >> Okay, next
[58:48] meeting date and time. Let me look at my
[58:50] calendar here. I don't have
[58:57] I can get into it.
[59:06] October [snorts] 2nd, Wednesday is the
[59:08] 14th.
[59:10] That sound right? Sure. Good for you.
[59:13] Take your work.
[59:14] >> Okay. October 14th at 10 o'clock.
[59:24] Nothing else. Meeting is adjourned.